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| Nova-deViator | oh | 19:28 |
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| Nova-deViator | there;s a support channel here for kxstudio. nice. hi everyone. i'm trying to help a fella on fb with a linux install where he installed qjackctl and cadence from kxstudio repos and now has jackd without the alsa backend. is there a separate package that needs to be installed so that jackd will be able to use alsa? | 19:29 |
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| Nova-deViator | ok, joined via matrix -> lukaprincic[m] | 19:36 |
| genesis | why use qjackctl if you have already cadence ? | 19:37 |
| genesis | and which jack implementation do u use ? | 19:37 |
| genesis | cadence provide a better jack configuration and patchbay (catia) | 19:38 |
| genesis | in cadence -> system -> configure -> driver -> alsa. | 19:39 |
| lukaprincic[m] | this is the discussion: https://www.facebook.com/groups/189734702059/permalink/10155328541607060/ | 19:41 |
| LAbot | Title: Linux Audio Public Group | Facebook (at www.facebook.com) | 19:41 |
| lukaprincic[m] | he is using jackd2 1.9.12 | 19:42 |
| genesis | i boycott facebook | 19:42 |
| genesis | please subscribe to a libre software network as diaspora or mastodon | 19:42 |
| genesis | :') | 19:42 |
| lukaprincic[m] | yeah ok, no problem. but doesn't cadence also use jackd in the background | 19:43 |
| lukaprincic[m] | genesis: i use diaspora and mastodon extensively | 19:43 |
| lukaprincic[m] | jackd -d reports no alsa backend. is this normal? | 19:43 |
| genesis | i would say no | 19:43 |
| lukaprincic[m] | my thoughts exactly. i think using cadence will not help | 19:44 |
| genesis | which backend it propose ? | 19:44 |
| genesis | cadence could use the jackdbus version | 19:44 |
| genesis | which u could have give a chance :) | 19:45 |
| genesis | and provides with the jack2 :) | 19:45 |
| genesis | sorry i don't use the kxstudio distro, only cadence suite and carla | 19:46 |
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| troken[m] | ok... | 19:48 |
| lukaprincic[m] | hi troken | 19:48 |
| troken[m] | Hi! | 19:48 |
| lukaprincic[m] | genesis suggested that cadence might use a different version of jackd - namely jackdbus | 19:48 |
| troken[m] | Alright | 19:49 |
| lukaprincic[m] | genesis is using cadence so he might be able to help? | 19:50 |
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| genesis | yes but i wonder how to choose the daemon or dbus version in cadence config | 19:51 |
| troken[m] | Adding KXstudio-repositories again, since I cant find Cadence in my Synaptic | 19:52 |
| genesis | for me it's using jackdbus . | 19:52 |
| lukaprincic[m] | i'm reading on KXstudio page: "KXStudio includes an ALSA/JACK bridge program called “snd-aloop daemon” which enables the user to run ALSA-only apps alongside JACK and other JACK-native software. This bridge is turned on by default when JACK is started - see the Cadence instructions for more information." | 19:52 |
| lukaprincic[m] | troken: you can do "sudo apt install cadence" in terminal | 19:52 |
| genesis | but that is to make alsa APPS working with your jack daemon | 19:52 |
| lukaprincic[m] | you already have kxstudio repos there | 19:52 |
| lukaprincic[m] | since you installed qjackctl (and jackd) from them. | 19:53 |
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| genesis | not to make alsa driver working with jack ... you should have this backeend. | 19:53 |
| lukaprincic[m] | genesis: yes, i see, you are right. but that is also perhaps why there is no alsa backend in jackd? i'm guessing here. | 19:54 |
| genesis | no it's very anormal for me | 19:54 |
| genesis | all people would use the alsa backend one day, i use a source distro(gentoo) so special needs could unable it but i don't see the point in a debian distrib | 19:55 |
| troken[m] | Cant find Cadence... It says it is not available. | 19:55 |
| lukaprincic[m] | it seems not normal to me too | 19:56 |
| genesis | weird kernel or something, i can't help deeper 'cause it's distribution stuff | 19:56 |
| lukaprincic[m] | alsa is there. working. aplay -l can list devices. | 19:58 |
| lukaprincic[m] | cadence has a complicated settings setup i see now | 19:58 |
| troken[m] | ok guys. The other day I followed a install instruction on Youtube. That tampered with my kernel I think. Can that be the reason behind this= | 19:58 |
| troken[m] | ? | 19:58 |
| lukaprincic[m] | troken is a first time user if i understand correctly. | 19:59 |
| lukaprincic[m] | troken: does any sound work? can you hear youtube videos? if you can than basic sound works and kernel is ok (for now) | 19:59 |
| troken[m] | Yes, sure, I can hear sound very good. | 20:00 |
| troken[m] | This is the video I talked about: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6LuvdDEqCA | 20:00 |
| lukaprincic[m] | to me these tasks all look good. what do you get when you type $ uname -a in your terminal | 20:02 |
| troken[m] | Linux martin-N550JV 4.4.0-109-lowlatency #132-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT Tue Jan 9 20:43:47 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux | 20:03 |
| lukaprincic[m] | if sound works than you're good. if you have a lowlatency kernel all the better. | 20:03 |
| troken[m] | 😀 Im so confused | 20:03 |
| lukaprincic[m] | don't worry. you'll learn. don't give up, give it time. | 20:06 |
| troken[m] | Ill make a video recording of what happens. Its really weird. | 20:06 |
| lukaprincic[m] | somebody in this channel should help you out since it is the jackd from KXstudio that for some reason doesn't have alsa backend | 20:07 |
| lukaprincic[m] | using this riot app allows you to keep your username present in the channel and see history even if you shutdown or restart the computer | 20:08 |
| lukaprincic[m] | did you try starting the jack from cadence? | 20:09 |
| * troken[m] posted a file: Jack-problem.mp4 (5679KB) <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/mKuBEWMQrKVJhnEiWkKhCPym> | 20:09 | |
| troken[m] | No, I cant install Cadence. Its not there to install, cant find it. | 20:09 |
| lukaprincic[m] | have you tried typing in the terminal: | 20:10 |
| lukaprincic[m] | $ sudo apt install cadence | 20:10 |
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| troken[m] | Yes | 20:11 |
| lukaprincic[m] | troken: and it couldn't find it? | 20:11 |
| lukaprincic[m] | genesis: can cadence connect to already running jackd? (not jackdbus) | 20:13 |
| troken[m] | No, couldn find it. :-/ | 20:13 |
| * lukaprincic[m] sent a long message: lukaprincic[m]_2018-01-22_20:16:53.txt <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/FgKfMmUpDmAzsisTJgsQBdEe> | 20:16 | |
| lukaprincic[m] | a) try to find so called "software properties" - i think even in synaptic you can do it | 20:17 |
| troken[m] | Ok, I can try that. | 20:17 |
| lukaprincic[m] | command line is "software-properties-gtk" | 20:18 |
| lukaprincic[m] | it will give you a gui where you can control all your repos | 20:18 |
| troken[m] | oh, yes i recognize that. Ill remove everything with kxstudio in it. | 20:18 |
| lukaprincic[m] | under "Other software" you can untick or remove all kxstudio repos | 20:19 |
| lukaprincic[m] | if it doesn't allow you, you need to start it as root (from the command line) like so | 20:20 |
| lukaprincic[m] | $ sudo software-properties-gtk | 20:20 |
| lukaprincic[m] | but maybe it has already asked for password | 20:20 |
| lukaprincic[m] | when you click close it will ask you to reload package information. do that. | 20:21 |
| troken[m] | Ive removed all repos with kxstudio now | 20:22 |
| lukaprincic[m] | then the more risky part: | 20:23 |
| lukaprincic[m] | $ sudo apt remove jackd2 | 20:23 |
| lukaprincic[m] | it will tell you some packages it will remove | 20:23 |
| lukaprincic[m] | as some software depends on it | 20:23 |
| troken[m] | done | 20:24 |
| lukaprincic[m] | now first check what jackd2 will it install if you try to install it again: | 20:25 |
| lukaprincic[m] | $ apt policy jackd | 20:25 |
| lukaprincic[m] | and if it's 1.9.10 version, install it like so: | 20:26 |
| lukaprincic[m] | $ sudo apt install jackd2 | 20:26 |
| * troken[m] sent a long message: troken[m]_2018-01-22_20:26:09.txt <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/RpTQKwYCgWbjFxzAzYyDoptG> | 20:26 | |
| lukaprincic[m] | sorry | 20:26 |
| lukaprincic[m] | my mistake | 20:26 |
| troken[m] | it ok :) | 20:26 |
| lukaprincic[m] | $ apt policy jackd2 | 20:26 |
| * troken[m] sent a long message: troken[m]_2018-01-22_20:27:18.txt <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/PowRDRHQSWidJoHuZIVgRbWh> | 20:27 | |
| troken[m] | BRB | 20:28 |
| genesis | lukaprincic[m] : catia will find it yes | 20:30 |
| troken[m] | it wants to install jackd, jackd1 and jackd1-firewire. OK? | 20:30 |
| lukaprincic[m] | yes, now install it with | 20:30 |
| lukaprincic[m] | $ sudo apt install jackd2 | 20:30 |
| troken[m] | done | 20:31 |
| lukaprincic[m] | aha.. no, i think it shouldn;t install jackd1 | 20:31 |
| lukaprincic[m] | hmmm | 20:31 |
| troken[m] | ok, il unsinstall | 20:31 |
| lukaprincic[m] | well, try it anyway: jackd -d | 20:31 |
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| lukaprincic[m] | to see what backends are there | 20:32 |
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| * troken[m] sent a long message: troken[m]_2018-01-22_20:32:48.txt <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/tcWSfukmgNRJJmMurULaRgrP> | 20:32 | |
| lukaprincic[m] | :( | 20:32 |
| lukaprincic[m] | well, i'm really not sure what is happening here. | 20:33 |
| lukaprincic[m] | and what version of jackd is now installed? can you do | 20:35 |
| lukaprincic[m] | $ dpkg -l | grep jackd and look at the version number next to jackd2 | 20:35 |
| lukaprincic[m] | is it 1.9.10? | 20:35 |
| lukaprincic[m] | (or at least starting with it)? | 20:35 |
| troken[m] | yes | 20:36 |
| lukaprincic[m] | ok, than this is not jackd fault at all actually | 20:36 |
| troken[m] | oh? Tobiasz Unfa Karon suggests that Pulseaudio might be the problem. | 20:37 |
| lukaprincic[m] | pulse audio problem can be solved by installing jack module for pulse audio, but it would be wierd that jackd would not report an alsa backend | 20:37 |
| lukaprincic[m] | but you can try | 20:37 |
| lukaprincic[m] | $ sudo apt install pulseaudio-module-jack | 20:38 |
| troken[m] | installed now | 20:38 |
| lukaprincic[m] | pactl load-module module-jack-source channels=2 | 20:38 |
| lukaprincic[m] | pactl load-module module-jack-sink channels=2 | 20:39 |
| troken[m] | "Failed to start module" | 20:39 |
| lukaprincic[m] | ah | 20:39 |
| lukaprincic[m] | interesting | 20:39 |
| troken[m] | the same for the secont one | 20:39 |
| lukaprincic[m] | hmmmmmm | 20:39 |
| lukaprincic[m] | try restarting pulseaudio | 20:41 |
| lukaprincic[m] | $ pulseaudio -k | 20:41 |
| troken[m] | ok | 20:41 |
| lukaprincic[m] | try again loading the module? | 20:41 |
| lukaprincic[m] | i'm not sure if the jack needs to be running when loading the module actually | 20:42 |
| troken[m] | same thing as before | 20:42 |
| lukaprincic[m] | i'm running out of ideas here. i think reinstalling completely should be the last resort but sometimes it can trully help | 20:43 |
| lukaprincic[m] | and maybe you install an audio-focused distro. i'm using ubuntu-studio and can help you with that | 20:43 |
| lukaprincic[m] | http://ubuntustudio.org/ | 20:43 |
| LAbot | Title: Ubuntu Studio (at ubuntustudio.org) | 20:43 |
| troken[m] | Oh, you mean a total fresh os-install? | 20:43 |
| lukaprincic[m] | mhm. :-/ | 20:44 |
| troken[m] | I googled a bit. This: ? http://kodi.wiki/view/PulseAudio/HOW-TO:_Disable_PulseAudio_and_use_ALSA_(without_removing_PulseAudio)_for_Ubuntu | 20:45 |
| lukaprincic[m] | yes, looks like an easy and simple temporary recipe | 20:46 |
| lukaprincic[m] | to disable it from running | 20:46 |
| lukaprincic[m] | try that, kill pulseaudio with | 20:47 |
| lukaprincic[m] | $ pulseaudio -k | 20:47 |
| troken[m] | Ill try later, have to leave computer for a couple o minutes | 20:47 |
| troken[m] | brb | 20:47 |
| lukaprincic[m] | and then try jackd -d to see if alsa backend comes up. | 20:47 |
| lukaprincic[m] | yes, i need to leave and go home too. | 20:48 |
| lukaprincic[m] | bye! | 20:48 |
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| falktx | I was too late | 21:26 |
| JackWinter | i didn't know the answer :) | 21:48 |
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