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| joegiampaoli | In ubuntu studio 14.04 LTS I want to remove package "unattended-upgrades" to disable automatic security updates but it also wants to autoremove "kxstudio-repos" how can I work around this? | 05:55 |
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| alex__ | falktx, hello stranger, got a minute? | 10:23 |
| alex__ | falktx, i have a problem with duplicate repo entries for kx. | 10:24 |
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| JackWinter | alex__: hi, are you mr stone? | 10:24 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, Yep, that's me. | 10:25 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, How are you Jack? | 10:25 |
| JackWinter | long time no irc! hope life treats u well | 10:25 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, I'm still breathing. :) | 10:25 |
| JackWinter | doing ok, happy about recent reaper 4 linux development | 10:25 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, Me too. I dragged out all my Gig libs and got linuxsampler setup. | 10:26 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, No sleep for a couple of days, but that's my workflow. :) | 10:26 |
| JackWinter | still no great success with kontakt on the 64gb box? | 10:26 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, Enough for the essentials, but that's it. | 10:27 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, I have a lot of my libs mirrored in GIG and NKI, so i've managed to balance them out | 10:27 |
| JackWinter | think i figured out how a process is limited to max 50% of ram, but was so long ago that i've forgotten where to tune it | 10:28 |
| JackWinter | i think in the end it's a global linux thing, and nothing to do with wine.. | 10:28 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, I'm not going to bother. I've got some sort of solution and reaper linux came to the rescue | 10:28 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, yes i think so too.\ | 10:29 |
| JackWinter | it's great, i'm so happy about that | 10:29 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, you have a gift for understatement. :) | 10:29 |
| JackWinter | recording a record with my band nowdays, so spend a lot of time editing and choosing takes | 10:29 |
| JackWinter | lol | 10:29 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, Best of luck, i hope it works out. For that sort of work, i think Reaper is the duck's nuts. | 10:30 |
| JackWinter | our troublesome keyboarder left so we spent a year in limbo, but now we got an old fox with a real b3 and leslie from the 60s, a nice guy and recording that leslie always puts a smile on my face! | 10:31 |
| JackWinter | it is, don't do midi, but reaper really lends itself to a traditional recording workflow | 10:32 |
| alex__ | falktx, http://kxstudio.linuxaudio.org/repo/ gcc http://ppa.launchpad.net/kxstudio-debian/gcc5-deps/ubuntu | 10:32 |
| LAbot | Title: Index of /kxstudio-debian/gcc5-deps/ubuntu (at ppa.launchpad.net) | 10:32 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, If he's got a B3 and a Leslie, there's a good chance he's old school. :) | 10:32 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, Reaper's version of 4 on the floor recording is about the best around imho.\ | 10:33 |
| JackWinter | true that. he can play other keys, but it's the hammond that's his life | 10:33 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, Great sound. | 10:33 |
| JackWinter | helped him fix the plate in the leslie, now it sounds even better | 10:34 |
| JackWinter | why don't you come by the forum some day and dazzle the new linux users with a report of your symphonic orc in a box? | 10:35 |
| JackWinter | was a long time since you posted something like that | 10:35 |
| alex__ | falktx, which one is valid, or do i need to keep both. I keep getting duplicate sources messages. | 10:35 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, I will, but i'm also writing 3 novels at the moment, and that takes a lot of time. | 10:36 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, Finally got my mojo together again. | 10:37 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, Still don't see a dedicated Linux Forum. I think it's time. | 10:37 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, Nice work on the wiki. | 10:38 |
| JackWinter | thanks, it's slowly coming together, think i managed to strike a good balance between giving relevant info without going into details too much | 10:40 |
| JackWinter | i talked to justin about a forum, we decided that a few threads was ok at the moment. I think the forum will come when r4l goes official... | 10:41 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, For what it's worth, i think reaper's midi is close as well, and i never thought i'd say that. When they get the expression maps sorted, i'll be happy enough to use it full time. | 10:41 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, Yep, i figured you would. | 10:41 |
| JackWinter | you have enough ports? :) | 10:41 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, I do now. :) | 10:41 |
| JackWinter | how? | 10:42 |
| JackWinter | did the limit get increased? | 10:42 |
| JackWinter | i know it did once, but thought it still wasn't enough? | 10:42 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, I use a standalone linuxsampler with jack ports, and i've configured it to run keyswitches, so that the bulk of the ports. The rest is Kontakt, which is vst, and doesn't need external ports. | 10:43 |
| JackWinter | ah, i see. | 10:43 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, I did a juggle, and of course, kept all my gig files, so i'm using both formats. | 10:44 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, Not perfect, but close enough. | 10:44 |
| JackWinter | actually talking to you, i just realized that i'd better do a section on jack in the wiki too. the differences between jack1/2 and the use of a2jmidid w jack2 vs builtin for jack1 | 10:45 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, I though Davis declared jack1 was dead? | 10:45 |
| JackWinter | problem is i hardly no anything about jack midi | 10:45 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, We're all on Jack 2 in the near future? | 10:45 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, jack midi ports are straightforward, it's either a native jack port, or a conversion from alsa. | 10:46 |
| JackWinter | not really, he stepped down as maintainer of it, and falktx has picked up the mantle for both 1&2. we'll see what the future brings, i got the impression that falktx is firmly in the jack2 camp :) | 10:46 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, That's good. I'm on AV linux and that's jack2. | 10:47 |
| JackWinter | what's the diff between a2jmidi_bridge and a2jmidid ? | 10:47 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, Depends on the settings, but a2jmidi_bridge gives you a single alsa to jack port. | 10:48 |
| JackWinter | my biggest beef w jack2 is that i can hardly read the source (too much c++ abstraction for my small brain) and the logging. but maybe if i started using jack2 i'd learn how to interpret the logs | 10:48 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, a2jmidid can do multiple ports. | 10:48 |
| JackWinter | hopefully jack2 gets the internal clients from jack1 some day | 10:49 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, Here's hoping. | 10:49 |
| JackWinter | i've also spent some time the last few days on something that now has the working name of udev-rtirq, which basically dynamically changes the priority of the soundcard interrupt as you plug it in and out. | 10:50 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, I've battered jackmidi from all directions for years, so i can fix most of my own problems. But AV and KX take all the hard work out of it. | 10:50 |
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| alex__ | JackWinter, ok, dynamic sounds good. | 10:51 |
| JackWinter | config is easy, just has a blacklist for pci addresses and a priority level to set. by default it sets all soundcard interrupts to 90, be they pci, usb, fw, etc | 10:51 |
| JackWinter | and back to 50 if you plug it out | 10:51 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, yep, 50's safe, yes? | 10:51 |
| JackWinter | hopefully that'll end some of the linux audio sucks sentiment :) | 10:51 |
| JackWinter | it's the default when using rt or lowlatency with threadirq | 10:52 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, yep. | 10:53 |
| JackWinter | hoping to do the finishing touches today (if i have the time) and then put it on github | 10:53 |
| JackWinter | at the moment i'm messing with the systemd part, and then i guess i have to add a license and a brief documentation | 10:54 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, Sounds good. :) | 10:54 |
| JackWinter | would have the advantage over rtirq that it keeps working after boot, doesn't change the priority of all usb controllers, and doesn't require any user intervention at all, except installing it | 10:55 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, I think i remember saying to you a long time ago that it would be the unglamorous utility apps and scripts that would make the difference in linux audio acceptance. We've now got KX. AV, and people like you filling in the gaps among the shiny tools. | 10:56 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, One day it will all go click, and we'll wonder what the fuss was all about. :) | 10:57 |
| JackWinter | sorely tempted to write a small script that adds a realtime group, configures the realtime group to get rtprio and memlock, and finally adds the current user to the realtime group. | 10:57 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, Automate the lot. Millions will cry out with one voice. Awesome! :) | 10:58 |
| JackWinter | to me all that's needed, is get a lowlat or rt kernel, give the user the privs needed, and change the priority of the soundcard interrupt. the rest works nice, desktop audio interfaces with jack via pulseaudio. | 10:58 |
| JackWinter | in fact i think it's really smooth nowdays | 10:59 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, Me too. | 10:59 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, Haven't had a jack problem for a long time. | 10:59 |
| JackWinter | me neither, except for when i've messed it up myself :) | 11:00 |
| JackWinter | still doesn't deal very gracefully with the usb sound card being unplugged while running though :) | 11:00 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, So don't unplug it. :) | 11:01 |
| JackWinter | better that it would switch to another soundcard or the dummy backend, instead of going crazy and racing on a cput | 11:01 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, Yep. | 11:01 |
| JackWinter | yes, that's good advice :) | 11:01 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, Makes sense. Setting the order to default to if one drops out or gets unplugged. | 11:02 |
| JackWinter | yes, we'll bother falktx with that once he starts working on jack2 or if it will be jack3 :) | 11:02 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, JackTX | 11:04 |
| alex__ | :) | 11:05 |
| JackWinter | nah, i just want to avoid support for reaper as i'm likely to be active on the forum | 11:08 |
| JackWinter | btw, have you tried linvst as a solution to run kontakt and what other windows vsts you need? | 11:08 |
| JackWinter | https://github.com/osxmidi/LinVst | 11:09 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, Yes i tried it. Something went wrong recently and i haven't had time to fix it. | 11:10 |
| JackWinter | to me that's the best solution at the moment, though i've forked it and started working on my own program as me and the dev don't seem to see eye to eye on how to make it run best at low latency | 11:10 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, Keep me posted. | 11:10 |
| JackWinter | i'll do. maybe nothing comes of it, as i don't really have the time to hack much | 11:11 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, I never thought Justin would get involved with sws, but he's hosting it, and doing bits and pieces as far as i can tell. | 11:11 |
| JackWinter | rgareus lv2vst is also great, runs quite a few lv2 in reaper | 11:11 |
| JackWinter | at least until justin does lv2 support too | 11:11 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, So he might see linvst as a potential addition to reaper more formally. | 11:12 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, Haven't tried lv2 yet. | 11:12 |
| JackWinter | i have it running the harrison lv2 plugs :) | 11:12 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, I was always impressed with the x42 plugs, and anything standalone from Fons. | 11:12 |
| JackWinter | don't know. we talked about wine support for windows vsts, and i think he's gonna do it. he also talked about opensourcing he's vsthost program (from windows) | 11:13 |
| JackWinter | but at the moment we agreed that leave that out of the roadmap of things to happen on linux... | 11:13 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, At least the windows bleaters have shut up for now at least. | 11:14 |
| JackWinter | probably a support nightmare for cockos too. windows plugin X doesn't work on linux... would be very much bleh... | 11:14 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, Yep. | 11:14 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, Let's see what happens. We're on a roll at the moment | 11:14 |
| JackWinter | most x42 plugs work, and i'm really impressed with the meters | 11:15 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, Robin's a great coder imho. He has my respect. | 11:15 |
| JackWinter | seems from talking to justin that he's exclusively using reaper on linux now, and happy with it | 11:16 |
| JackWinter | mine too | 11:16 |
| JackWinter | he's got it on an arm chromebook too | 11:16 |
| JackWinter | but the vu style meters don't quite display right, the other ones work fine though | 11:17 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, As long as he stays on Linux, we're good. :) | 11:17 |
| JackWinter | also the convolution engine segfaults reaper, but it has it's own reaverb so no problem | 11:17 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, I sometimes have challenges with Reaverb, but it seems to be generally ok. | 11:18 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, I've got hundreds of convolution wavs. | 11:18 |
| JackWinter | by now he's gonna finish it. don't know how all the plugin support will work out, seeing the problems with gcc4 vs 5, the use of gtk+ or not, etc | 11:18 |
| JackWinter | dunno, i've never really had any issues with reaverb. but i'm just using a few impulses | 11:19 |
| JackWinter | but if there are problems with say guitarix, he won't be alone in linux land with that :) | 11:19 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, Yep, it's not his problem alone. | 11:20 |
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| JackWinter | it's kind of sad, that you have better chances to get amplitube/guitarrig/etc running in a wrapper than the native linux equivalent | 11:22 |
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| alex__ | JackWinter, Yeah, but that's life. It use to be kind of sad that there was still no Kontakt Linux version. Now it's just bleh, and get on with it. | 11:25 |
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| JackWinter | who knows, maybe someday. at least the give me NFRs for it to see how it can be made better on linux. got komplete11 but still haven't managed to install it. the new online installer won't work :) | 11:27 |
| JackWinter | waves have all their plugins working on linux, but won't sell them. i think things are slowly starting to change in this respect | 11:27 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, I think the new online installer was designed to limit how it could be used and downloaded. | 11:27 |
| JackWinter | i think it's just using some stuff still missing in wine | 11:28 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, And i'm sure NI will investigate and let the wine devs know what it is. :) | 11:29 |
| JackWinter | maybe i'll ask ik for komplete on usb instead, possibly that is installable | 11:29 |
| JackWinter | oh yeah, sure :) | 11:29 |
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| JackWinter | seeing that steinberg has made vst available for linux (maybe not totally well license wise), is also a step in the right direction | 11:30 |
| JackWinter | i think the big problem is that all these plugin companies look at linux and say bleh. there are so many distros and different package managers, there is stuff like gcc4 vs 5, so it's a hassle. | 11:31 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, I don't understand the whole gcc4 versus 5 thing. | 11:32 |
| JackWinter | they are just ignorant about it, and don't know what to do. | 11:32 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, And they're not motivated to try. | 11:32 |
| JackWinter | the other problem is that they would have to offer support, which means employing people that know linux, possible a cost instead of a profit | 11:32 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, True, but it's just one dev. Sack one of the sales team, or a middle manager, and they'd be just as well off. :) | 11:33 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, I know. Sack Ivanka Steinberg from the consultancy team. :) | 11:34 |
| JackWinter | alex__: the gcc4 vs 5, is (slightly simplified) basically a problem of compatibility. so it's hard to mix stuff built with gcc v5 with stuff built with gcc v4, which of course is a problem if you use binaries instead of compiling the software yourself | 11:34 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, Yep i understand that much. | 11:34 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, I'm waiting for gcc 6 :) | 11:35 |
| JackWinter | reaper wanted to go gcc v5 only but immidiately someone complained. so justin had to do a special fix to be able to use elastique which is gcc v5, and then be able to build reaper with gcc v4. but i think he's done it, so reaper will work with anything, and still be able to use elastique..! | 11:37 |
| JackWinter | i already have gcc v7 on my system, but it's backwards compatible with gcc v5 | 11:37 |
| JackWinter | don't think he'll be able to do that for all plugins, but he's a clever guy, so let's see how that works out | 11:38 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, he's certainly clever. Reaper's what, 9mb? | 11:39 |
| JackWinter | it'll have problems with plugins using gtk+ as swell uses gdk, but even making swell use Xlib won't really help, as you'd have problems with plugins having been built with different versions | 11:40 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, He has to draw the line somewhere. And let's not forget, there's some fine plugins in reaper already. | 11:41 |
| JackWinter | something like that. | 11:41 |
| JackWinter | i'm laughing all the way to the bank. i already have far more than i need running stable on linux, | 11:41 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, And me pretty much, now i've got LS and Kontakt sharing the load. | 11:42 |
| JackWinter | the harrison plugins, the reaper builtin one, then t-racks/amplitube, komplete8, fabfilter and even nebula. don't know what else i might ever need...:) | 11:43 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, There's always one....... :) | 11:43 |
| JackWinter | yeah, but most of them work... | 11:43 |
| alex__ | :) | 11:44 |
| JackWinter | maybe some gui being messed up until wine has implemented the needed d2d functionality, and still some embedding issues in linvst. all a matter of coding and opensource | 11:44 |
| JackWinter | the future is looking so bright that i have to wear shades :) | 11:45 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, Makes a change from a few years ago. :) | 11:46 |
| JackWinter | yes. and hopefully bitwig/harrison/ardour/reaper/etc being on linux and crossplatform will help, as will microsoft self destructing | 11:48 |
| JackWinter | i think in the next few years we'll see more plugins and apps being ported. it's just a question of time | 11:49 |
| JackWinter | apple seems also set to concentrate on their ipad/iphone business and ignoring desktops. avid also seems to be aiming at living out their lifetime in the not so distant future | 11:50 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, I'm still missing the main apps, like Kontakt and other sample players. I can't see those ever going native linux. They've been anti so long and don't look like changing. | 11:51 |
| JackWinter | of course much of that won't please the foss zealots as most of it will be binary, but personally i take a more pragmatic approach | 11:51 |
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| JackWinter | i like linux very much as a general purpose OS, and don't really mind binary software as long as i have the tools i need to work my audio | 11:52 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, If it works native linux, and i need it for work, i'll pay for it. I don't care about the other stuff. Used to, but there's so many hypocrites i decided to stop wastig my time. | 11:52 |
| JackWinter | me too :) | 11:52 |
| JackWinter | i don't even mind buying windows binaries if i know that they'll work in wine for me | 11:53 |
| JackWinter | what i don't want under any circumstances is to boot windows... | 11:53 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, Yep, but i won't buy anymore. Kontakt was the last. | 11:53 |
| JackWinter | there is also hise, maybe it'll get to the point that some people create sample libs for it..! | 11:54 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, We'll see what happens. | 11:54 |
| JackWinter | maybe the people making sample libs would also like to get out of the kontakt trap | 11:54 |
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| alex__ | JackWinter, I doubt that. It's a cartel. They benefit from a near monopoly on the format as they can charge more, knowing the victim can't really go anywhere else. | 11:56 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, NI and the sample devs are two sides of the same coin. | 11:57 |
| JackWinter | don't they have to pay a lot of royalties to NI? | 11:58 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, I'm not sure about that. Heard that particular tune a few times. I think it's all a mutual profit exercise. | 11:59 |
| JackWinter | for a dev selling their samples for kontakt paying NI, and selling the same for hise while keeping more profits ought to have incentive think to twice about | 12:00 |
| JackWinter | it | 12:00 |
| JackWinter | but ofcourse if they can distribute the samples with kontakt for no cost, then not much incentive... | 12:00 |
| JackWinter | then the best we can hope for is either kontakt coming to linux, or working better in wine, be that improvements in wine, or possibly in kontakt itself | 12:01 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, That's the point. NI doesn't want to smack them too hard as they're churning out all sorts of libs. | 12:01 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, Yeah that's a lot of hope Jack. | 12:02 |
| JackWinter | we'll see :) | 12:03 |
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| falktx | what a big back log here... | 12:05 |
| JackWinter | thanks for the chat, was nice. was really to long since the last one. am gonna go reboot my computer a few times to see if i got my systemd .service file right. have little clue what i'm doing when it concerns systemd :) | 12:05 |
| falktx | hello alex__ ! | 12:05 |
| JackWinter | just me and alex having a chat :) | 12:05 |
| falktx | can I get a quick TL;DR? | 12:05 |
| JackWinter | NI sucks and linux is just getting better :) | 12:06 |
| alex__ | falktx, Jack summarized it nicely. :) | 12:06 |
| JackWinter | though alex had some question for you before i monopolized him :) | 12:06 |
| falktx | alex__: have you seen HISE? it reminds me of kontakt and is fully open | 12:06 |
| alex__ | falktx, Target Packages (main/binary-amd64/Packages) is configured multiple times in /etc/apt/sources.list:18 and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/kxstudio-debian.gcc5.list:1 | 12:06 |
| alex__ | falktx, I have. No sample libs for it yet though. | 12:07 |
| falktx | alex__: it's an issue in debian stretch afaik. avlinux has the problem, but I'm not doing anything wrong | 12:07 |
| alex__ | falktx, Ok, thanks, i'm using AV | 12:07 |
| falktx | it has been fixed in debian testing/sid, but the change has not been backported | 12:07 |
| alex__ | falktx, nice to know you're not doing anything wrong. :) | 12:07 |
| falktx | alex__: https://github.com/KXStudio/Repository/issues/88 | 12:08 |
| falktx | solution at the bottom | 12:08 |
| alex__ | falktx, ok, thanks. | 12:08 |
| falktx | doesnt' happen on a clean debian stretch install. so it's some old config avlinux has left behind | 12:08 |
| alex__ | falktx, right. Back in a moment. | 12:09 |
| falktx | JackWinter: do reaplugs work as normal vst plugins now? | 12:10 |
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| falktx | alex__: FYI I get the issue on removing a sound card making cpu going crazy. sometimes turning off lights here makes the soundcard go down for a split second. very strange, and quite annoying. have to restart jack when that happens | 12:17 |
| alex__ | falktx, voltage problem in the box? | 12:17 |
| falktx | it happened with 2 different pcs | 12:18 |
| falktx | *happens | 12:18 |
| alex__ | falktx, right. So you've got unreliable voltage in your house/flat/palace? | 12:18 |
| falktx | correct | 12:19 |
| falktx | but in return, it's really pushing me to fix this in jack2 | 12:19 |
| falktx | alex__: if you haven't heard, I maintain jack now | 12:20 |
| alex__ | falktx, Jack told me. Congratulations. | 12:21 |
| falktx | hmm nothing too special to be proud of. actually means lack of interest by other devs | 12:21 |
| alex__ | falktx, yep, but if there's anyone that can breathe life into it, it's you! :) | 12:23 |
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| JackWinter | falktx: please internal zita clients for jack2 too :) | 12:24 |
| alex__ | falktx, hehe, he's started already. | 12:24 |
| falktx | that's part of the plan | 12:24 |
| falktx | all jack1 features need to go into jack2 | 12:24 |
| JackWinter | that a2jmidid stuff is not good having to explain to noobs... | 12:24 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, yep, needs to be internalized as well. | 12:25 |
| JackWinter | though maybe that's reaper specific as it still is missing alsa midi... | 12:25 |
| alex__ | falktx, Are you the only one maintaining Jack? What about Stephane? | 12:25 |
| falktx | stephane has no time or patience for it, it seems | 12:25 |
| JackWinter | i think he went awol a long time ago | 12:25 |
| falktx | nedko quit linux audio in general | 12:26 |
| alex__ | falktx, didn't know that. I did know Davis has given it up. | 12:26 |
| JackWinter | falktx: the bright side is that now you are the dictator of both jack1 and 2, and can do as you like. | 12:26 |
| falktx | I actually started implementing libjack inside carla. but just for fun | 12:26 |
| alex__ | falktx, As long as you do what we like too. :) | 12:26 |
| JackWinter | unless you try to get a consenus on the jack mailing list that is :) | 12:26 |
| * falktx has renoise, lmms and a few others running as plugins inside carla. | 12:27 | |
| alex__ | JackWinter, I'd stay away from that list. Just quietly plough on merging, and ask Robin or one of the other good guys if you need another view. | 12:27 |
| JackWinter | before everytime someone wanted to do something with jack it either got bogged down in religious discussions or outright vetoed by someone in power | 12:27 |
| falktx | session management taken to a new level. but it's all experimental and just for fun | 12:27 |
| falktx | alex__: JackWinter: there's a full 3rd implementation of jackd already, but it's not public | 12:28 |
| falktx | and I haven't seen it myself | 12:28 |
| alex__ | falktx, who's doing that? | 12:28 |
| JackWinter | oh, by whom? | 12:28 |
| JackWinter | c++ too? | 12:28 |
| falktx | someone who doesn't want to push his code publicly anymore | 12:28 |
| falktx | a mix of c and c++ | 12:29 |
| alex__ | falktx, Fons? | 12:29 |
| JackWinter | ah, i think i can guess who that is :) | 12:29 |
| falktx | .... too easy to guess | 12:29 |
| JackWinter | too bad that he got discouraged, a very talented guy... | 12:29 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, Amen to that. He's done some awesome work. | 12:29 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, And despite his reputation, he never spoke down to me as a user once, in all these years.\ | 12:30 |
| falktx | I got too many projects now, but as long as there's no pressue, things will get done slowly | 12:30 |
| JackWinter | a pity people took his code and implemented it wrongly in other code. but on the other hand if he pulished it as gpl, that is bound to happen... | 12:30 |
| JackWinter | but bleh that he won't publish at all anymore | 12:30 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, In fact we got on quite well, and briefly collaborated on one or two minor design discussions. | 12:30 |
| JackWinter | he was never condenscending to me either... | 12:31 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, The linuxaudio mafia chased him out! | 12:31 |
| falktx | not mafia, but newbie devs | 12:32 |
| JackWinter | one needs a thick skin when dealing with the zealots... | 12:32 |
| alex__ | falktx, you're very kind. I saw him getting trashed by the old blowhards as well. | 12:32 |
| JackWinter | i've seen that too | 12:32 |
| falktx | hmm I did not see theat | 12:32 |
| falktx | *that | 12:32 |
| alex__ | falktx, like a pissing contest everytime he came up with new code. | 12:32 |
| alex__ | falktx, aeolus, all the zita stuff, jconvolv, etc. I never had a problem at all with any of it. | 12:33 |
| alex__ | falktx, we've lost a true code jedi, imho, and that's sad. | 12:33 |
| JackWinter | the best is just to do what you want as best as you can, and then ignore the bullshit from zealots and know it alls... | 12:33 |
| JackWinter | falktx: have you tried to ask him to get the code to use as a foundation for the future? maybe he'd go for that as long as he doesn't have to be involved? | 12:34 |
| JackWinter | what's amazed me all these years is the bullshit from people that never have contributed a single line of code... | 12:35 |
| JackWinter | i think for linux and foss in general, the only measure is code written. any asshole can have opinions and most do... | 12:36 |
| falktx | JackWinter: I have not. honestly I just want to get jack2 more stable at this point. not to introduce jack3 | 12:36 |
| falktx | once jack2 gets all jack1 features and overall fixes, then we can discuss jack3 | 12:37 |
| JackWinter | maybe sometime in the future... | 12:37 |
| JackWinter | good plan, though i'm sad to see jack1 fall by the way side. but i guess it doesn't matter both do what needs doing | 12:37 |
| alex__ | falktx, well, you have our support. | 12:37 |
| JackWinter | yes, agreed! | 12:37 |
| alex__ | falktx, and thanks for picking up the torch. I'd be lost without jack.\ | 12:38 |
| falktx | one day I'll be able to work on this full time, hopefully | 12:38 |
| alex__ | falktx, Are you a Lannister, or a Stark? :) | 12:39 |
| JackWinter | falktx: btw if you still package wineasio, get it here: https://github.com/jhernberg/wineasio | 12:39 |
| JackWinter | it has improvements to the latency reporting that's not on sourceforge or otherwise released | 12:39 |
| JackWinter | in fact now it reports it correctly for the first time :) | 12:40 |
| falktx | nice. I opened a ticket https://github.com/KXStudio/Repository/issues/126 | 12:41 |
| JackWinter | good | 12:41 |
| JackWinter | brb | 12:42 |
| falktx | JackWinter: that leads me to a question. what process is the one that calls jack_client_open()? the wine instance of each program or wineserver | 12:42 |
| falktx | ? | 12:42 |
| JackWinter | hmm, i'll have to think about that :) | 12:42 |
| JackWinter | no, it's each program instance... | 12:43 |
| JackWinter | wineserver is not involved at all | 12:43 |
| JackWinter | each program that loads the wineasio driver becomes a jack client | 12:43 |
| falktx | weird, I couldn't catch that function with carla's custom libjack | 12:44 |
| falktx | hopefully now without a full-time job in linux-audio my motivation keeps getting back.. it's been working nicely so far this week :) | 12:48 |
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| JackWinter | i completely burnt out on computers when it was my job. now i'm a driver instead and computers my hobby. much better situation :) | 13:17 |
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| alex__ | falktx, I've just been to the HISE site. No Linux Download? Did i miss something? | 13:23 |
| JackWinter | alex__: i think you have to build it from: https://github.com/christophhart/HISE but ever tried myself | 13:30 |
| JackWinter | never | 13:30 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, Ok. | 13:33 |
| JackWinter | i guess unless someone packaged it | 13:35 |
| JackWinter | cool, udev-rtirq seems to work ok now as well as being started from systemd | 13:36 |
| JackWinter | time to ask for review by the bash scripters and systemd people | 13:36 |
| JackWinter | in case you guys are curious: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/cebb49c220365b186a1ccc6bba6c7789 | 13:43 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, Good Luck. | 13:43 |
| JackWinter | thx, am not so well versed in scripting or systemd administration, so better ask for an opinion :) | 13:44 |
| alex__ | JackWinter, Yep, let the experts have their say. :) | 13:45 |
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| falktx | I want HISE packaged, but first I'll add a LV2 exporter to the juce official build tool, to make it easy for me | 13:47 |
| falktx | HISE plugins should be lv2, not vst | 13:47 |
| alex__ | falktx, agreed | 13:49 |
| alex__ | falktx, Ach, i get a juce illegal instruction error. Not going to do this today. | 14:00 |
| alex__ | falktx, never mind, got around it. | 14:05 |
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| alex__ | JackWinter, falktx, Ok chaps, it's been fun but i have to scoot. Ciao! | 14:26 |
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| AndrewD_ | Hello! I'm hoping someone could help. I'm trying to install this http://kxstudio.linuxaudio.org/Repositories, but I have an unmet dependency that's "not installable": kxstudio-repos-gcc5 : Depends: kxstudio-repos but it is not installable | 15:14 |
| AndrewD_ | ah it seems to work now for no apparent reason | 15:20 |
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| sirriffsalotlen | Where is the "jack-transport" function in the latest version of ardour? :O | 17:41 |
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