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| plex_dave | hey. i have a focusrite 18i20 so when I launch the pulse bridge in cadence, the box that shows up in claudia is massive. I can use terminal commands to launch a 2nd bridge with the channels I want and no connections, but the first one always is massive and auto-connects | 05:44 |
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| Helle | I have a weird request, can we either, get kxstudio packaged for Devuan, or a set of Debian/Ubuntu repositories, without the low level libraries custom compiled, mostly jack related stuff | 11:12 |
| Helle | because I keep having to duct-tape my system back together as the KXStudio packages of jack, etc depend on systemd nonsense indirectly | 11:12 |
| Helle | (else, hrm, I wonder if I could make a special alsa output that adapts it ? I don't care if the chromium audio output is a bit lower quality due to needless resampling) | 11:14 |
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| falktx | Helle: hmm, where is kxstudio stuff depending on systemd at all? | 12:03 |
| falktx | most packages come from 14.04, which uses upstart | 12:03 |
| falktx | jack has nothing to do with systemd as well | 12:03 |
| Helle | falktx: turns out, some indirect dependencies | 12:06 |
| Helle | falktx: I can probably trace down the exact ones in a sec | 12:06 |
| Helle | I know I traced it down to pulling in a whole load of weirdness, including systemd when it tries to grab the kxstudio version of jack atleast | 12:07 |
| Helle | (can't go look at it right now, because I am fighting another issue where Chromium is broken with 96kHz jack and alsa-jack bridging....) | 12:08 |
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| falktx | you could always just embrace systemd | 12:31 |
| Helle | eeh, unlikely on any desktop of mine | 12:34 |
| Helle | it breaks waaaaaaaaaaaay too many things in wonderful and impossible to debug ways | 12:34 |
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| falktx | right... breaks just for you | 13:05 |
| falktx | I'm happy with systemd. a lot better than other solutions. not perfect, but nothing is | 13:05 |
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| Helle | But my question is, why the jackd packages ? recent versions in Debian seem to be up to date (and last I checked where even ahead on a few bug fixes) | 13:27 |
| Helle | like, ideally, I'd just grab the high level applications from kxstudio, and leave the system stuff, regardless of what it is, up to the distro | 13:27 |
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| falktx | Helle: must be a debian thing, I do nothing regarding the init system in the repos | 14:39 |
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| Helle | falktx: yeah, I think it's like a weird chain of dependencies happening | 14:54 |
| Helle | I'll track it down as soon as well, the Chromium thing is fixed, or I run out of energy to spend on it | 14:54 |
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| JackWinter | Helle: it's not a dbus dependency for jack-dbus? | 15:44 |
| Helle | JackWinter: oh, that might actually be it | 15:45 |
| Helle | because dbus on Devuan is slightly differently packaged | 15:46 |
| Helle | but the other part was that the version of jackd in KXStudio didn't have a few recentish patches I seem to recall | 15:46 |
| JackWinter | don't know about that as i'm not a kxstudio user :) though i follow it and use a few of falktx' apps | 15:47 |
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| xkr47 | hi! | 16:24 |
| xkr47 | is kxstudio init-agnostic? | 16:30 |
| Helle | xkr47: yes/no/maybe | 16:31 |
| xkr47 | I was wondering whether I could try kxstudio with devuan | 16:31 |
| Helle | xkr47: In theory it should be, in practice, I've seen weird stuff | 16:31 |
| Helle | xkr47: I am doing just that | 16:31 |
| xkr47 | \o/ | 16:31 |
| Helle | but probably jack-dbus causes some issues | 16:31 |
| xkr47 | and.. ? :) | 16:31 |
| Helle | so I have some manual pinning, etc to do | 16:31 |
| xkr47 | ok | 16:32 |
| Helle | the problem is, kxstudio has some lower level stuff included (like it's own version of jack) and is built against Ubuntu, which already diverges from Debian slightly | 16:32 |
| Helle | anyway, I need to be off for a bit, but basically, yes/no/maybe, be careful, your system may need a bunch of manual tweaking to be sane | 16:33 |
| xkr47 | I'm planning on staying | 16:33 |
| xkr47 | so maybe we can talk more later | 16:33 |
| xkr47 | thanks for your input so far :) | 16:33 |
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| wolftune | and he also fixed the typo… | 21:01 |
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