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| trombada | hi | 13:55 |
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| trombada | could anyone provide some content related to the jack bridge types available on cadence? | 13:55 |
| trombada | The PulseAudio one is more intuitive, but trying to figure out if I'd get considerable less latency using jack->loop->plugin or jack->plugin | 13:56 |
| falktx|work | latency for pulseaudio is meaningless | 13:57 |
| falktx|work | it will always be high, not usable for RT audio | 13:57 |
| trombada | cool, would you give me a brief explanation of what other bridges are? | 13:57 |
| falktx|work | alsa plugin, or alsa configs | 13:57 |
| trombada | falktx|work: yeah, that's what I noticed on my last recording session. thousands Xruns | 13:57 |
| trombada | falktx|work: need to work with latencys around 3-4ms (even iMac is higher) | 13:58 |
| trombada | i mean the calculated roundtrip by logic pro | 13:58 |
| trombada | falktx|work: does snd-aloop one gets the sample from a more low-level layer than the alsa->jack(plugin)? | 13:59 |
| trombada | samples* | 13:59 |
| falktx|work | aloop gets from a alsa device | 14:00 |
| falktx|work | alsa apps write to the device, later the jack clients read from it | 14:00 |
| falktx|work | it's a loopback device | 14:00 |
| trombada | ok, makes sense, what about the alsa->jack(plugin)?: | 14:00 |
| trombada | does it expose alsa AS A plugin? | 14:00 |
| falktx|work | alsa plugin, connects to jack directly | 14:01 |
| falktx|work | very limited in the sample formats it supports | 14:01 |
| trombada | if it was a lasanha (hope you have eaten it :-), alsa->jack(plugin) would have thicker layers | 14:02 |
| trombada | I mean, software ones | 14:02 |
| trombada | or ham, if you prefer :) | 14:02 |
| trombada | aloop seems to be the way to go | 14:03 |
| trombada | for RT audio and hopefully less latency, less Xruns | 14:03 |
| trombada | last time I couldn't even remove the Xruns markers on ardour, there were so many | 14:03 |
| trombada | using pulseaudio bridge | 14:04 |
| falktx|work | aloop won't get more xruns, but the sound will be choppy if buffer size is low | 14:05 |
| falktx|work | using bridges is not a good idea when recording | 14:06 |
| falktx|work | stop the bridges when recording. enable them back and increase buf size when done | 14:06 |
| trombada | yep, i'm starting to get familiar with calculating proper buffersizes | 14:06 |
| trombada | good | 14:06 |
| trombada | i had another question about "periods/buffer". Using fairly low numbers (1,2,3,4) will affect latency in a relevant way? | 14:07 |
| trombada | i'm trying to learn in order to tune the system to my soundcards. | 14:08 |
| falktx|work | use 3 for usb cards, 2 for all others | 14:09 |
| trombada | falktx|work: BTW, i saw your work with plugins recently. congrats. that motivates me to take a look at plugin dev in future as I get more familiar with linux audio | 14:09 |
| trombada | thanks a lot, sir | 14:09 |
| falktx|work | np :) | 14:10 |
| trombada | count with my donation on kxstudio, just waiting a house renovation with is sending all my resources to some kind of /'/dev/null blackhole" | 14:11 |
| trombada | :) | 14:11 |
| trombada | which* | 14:12 |
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| wargreen | hi here ! | 16:03 |
| wargreen | I got an http err 505 when i try to upgrade ardour from gcc5 repos. know you somthing on this ? | 16:04 |
| wargreen | about this, sorry | 16:05 |
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| falktx|work | using debian tesing? | 16:16 |
| falktx|work | *testing | 16:16 |
| wargreen | hi falktx|work i use debian SID | 16:26 |
| falktx|work | yeah... | 16:27 |
| falktx|work | debian issue, can't fix myself | 16:27 |
| wargreen | how ? | 16:28 |
| wargreen | want you the full error with url ? | 16:28 |
| falktx|work | I know the issue | 16:30 |
| falktx|work | seems to be a thing in apt | 16:30 |
| wargreen | ok, so I'll try to update apt ? | 16:31 |
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| falktx|work | it won't work | 16:51 |
| falktx|work | nothing does work for this case in debian testing/sid | 16:51 |
| falktx|work | they need to fix it | 16:51 |
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| wargreen | falktx, thx, i've download directly the .deb on github... | 18:54 |
| trombada | wargreen: hey | 19:18 |
| trombada | wargreen: i was reading. this is happening for ardour packages every update | 19:18 |
| trombada | wargreen: just copy the URL and download the .deb with wget. The problem something internal on apt (curl, wget) is not replacing the space in "; filename=" for a %20 | 19:19 |
| trombada | url encoding | 19:19 |
| trombada | or maybe it should be using curl or wget, either one | 19:19 |
| wargreen | when I copy/past in my favorit browser, i'v got a signature error. it's the source ? | 19:21 |
| trombada | i don't think so | 19:22 |
| trombada | wargreen: may you copy the url here? | 19:22 |
| trombada | this was the workaround I found, but the right thing to do would archiving a bug report for APT | 19:23 |
| trombada | if I dig more, maybe to curl or wget | 19:23 |
| wargreen | https://github-cloud.s3.amazonaws.com/releases/39372848/925193f8-7b36-11e6-8256-0fd70f6b012b.deb?X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Credential=AKIAISTNZFOVBIJMK3TQ/20160922/us-east-1/s3/aws4_request&X-Amz-Date=20160922T184400Z&X-Amz-Expires=300&X-Amz-Signature=f5d601acd3c50af4db600153ca9ffaf04f21d4076ca0e391533fa49c80052348&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&actor_id=0&response-content-disposition=attachment; | 19:23 |
| wargreen | filename=ardour_5.3.5-1kxstudio1v5_amd64.deb&response-content-type=application/octet-stream 505 HTTP Version not supported | 19:23 |
| trombada | wargreen: the root cause SEEMS to be something on S3 and APT | 19:23 |
| trombada | because the "; filename=" thing is a meta-info for S# | 19:23 |
| trombada | S3 | 19:23 |
| trombada | amazon s3 i mean | 19:24 |
| trombada | you see the "; filename" got a linebreak? | 19:24 |
| trombada | maybe there is some special char | 19:24 |
| trombada | invisible | 19:24 |
| wargreen | hum yes maybe | 19:24 |
| trombada | by replacing the space with %20 you can wget "url" | 19:25 |
| trombada | it's good to be so, because this would be a "easy way" to not donating to ardour project | 19:25 |
| trombada | not very honest, imo | 19:25 |
| trombada | if used for this reason | 19:26 |
| trombada | intentionally :) | 19:26 |
| wargreen | (now, with this url, i got an "accessDenied" " Request has expired " | 19:26 |
| wargreen | :/ | 19:26 |
| trombada | hmm, probably there's a expiration timemout | 19:27 |
| trombada | when you run apt upgrade again it will probably should a valid url | 19:27 |
| trombada | X-Amz-Date=20160922T184400Z&X-Amz-Expires=300& | 19:27 |
| trombada | wargreen: whenever you find issues with kxstudio on debian sid and report here is helpful | 19:28 |
| trombada | i use sid too | 19:28 |
| trombada | Thug life | 19:28 |
| wargreen | trombada, personnaly, i report and discut with ardour's devs about the soft, and try to charge the artist of pay the software) | 19:28 |
| trombada | wargreen: me too, I'm giving more value to open source projects nowadays | 19:29 |
| wargreen | (sorry for my frenglish) | 19:29 |
| trombada | ours, then | 19:29 |
| trombada | trombada: a small contribution like they are requesting is fair | 19:29 |
| trombada | if you are an amateur musician, $1 is ok, more better, if professional, $40 won't hurt no one | 19:30 |
| trombada | although in brazil dolar-real quotes are 3.2:1 | 19:30 |
| trombada | i'd rather give a chance to reaper too | 19:31 |
| wargreen | little by little, the artist with whom i work give something | 19:31 |
| wargreen | but the "whoo, it's free!" is a big deal... | 19:32 |
| * wargreen change of virtual desktop, two song wait for towmorrow | 19:32 | |
| trombada | cool, that's motivating. ttyl | 19:32 |
| * wargreen no, i've to search some free impulse reponses.. | 19:32 | |
| trombada | lol | 19:33 |
| trombada | you are so kind | 19:33 |
| wargreen | http://www.openairlib.net/auralizationdb | 19:33 |
| LAbot | Title: Browse the Auralization Database | The Open Acoustic Impulse Response Library (at www.openairlib.net) | 19:33 |
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| trombada | wargreen: good luck there, tty | 19:41 |
| wargreen | trombada, have you recieve my link ? | 19:41 |
| trombada | let me see | 19:41 |
| wargreen | http://www.openairlib.net/auralizationdb | 19:42 |
| LAbot | Title: Browse the Auralization Database | The Open Acoustic Impulse Response Library (at www.openairlib.net) | 19:42 |
| wargreen | free Impules Responses ;) | 19:42 |
| trombada | cool | 19:43 |
| trombada | will take a look, i saw a blender plugin using it to simulate acoustics | 19:43 |
| trombada | ty | 19:43 |
| trombada | did you find something special? | 19:44 |
| trombada | "over special" | 19:44 |
| wargreen | in these IR ? | 19:44 |
| wargreen | lots in B-Format for ambisonic ! | 19:45 |
| wargreen | and very high-quality | 19:45 |
| trombada | very impressive | 19:47 |
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| trombada | it sounds like in your head | 19:49 |
| trombada | wtf | 19:50 |
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| trombada | wargreen: real impressive, even the cats reacted when I put it on speakers | 19:56 |
| trombada | wargreen: relaxing. do you know if it's possible to use these sounds in a sampler in a practical way? | 19:56 |
| trombada | wargreen: ir files are even more impressive, great suggestion, thanks a lot | 20:06 |
| trombada | i think i'll never hear the same anymore :) | 20:07 |
| wargreen | trombada, what you mean by "use in a sampler" ? | 20:14 |
| trombada | trombada: I mean the anechoic sounds of violins | 20:14 |
| trombada | for example | 20:14 |
| trombada | ops | 20:14 |
| trombada | wargreen: | 20:14 |
| trombada | wargreen: actually what I mean was samples to be used as virtual instrument samples | 20:16 |
| trombada | would be amazing to have sounds of such quality (which is not easy to obtain) and use in virtual instrument samples. it's so pure | 20:16 |
| trombada | even better is to have the mikes to record these audios | 20:17 |
| trombada | but could be done even with smartphone mics | 20:17 |
| trombada | and the studio :) | 20:19 |
| wargreen | hum, theses anechoic sound are used essentialy for test the impulses responses, but you can try to cut inside for put it in your sampler :) | 20:19 |
| trombada | great, if you have time, don't worry | 20:27 |
| trombada | if you can't, just the entire audio will work too | 20:28 |
| trombada | anyone with definite durations and chromatic scale | 20:29 |
| trombada | a lot of chill out music will born | 20:29 |
| trombada | haha :D | 20:29 |
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