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| sirriffsalothp | Hey people! Is there any way of using both jack on an external sound card and alsa? Can't work out how to have sound coming from my machine and from my sound card at the same time | 07:08 |
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| sirriffsalothp | Also, anyone know if an Onyx 1640i will work on kxstudio? Is it compatible since it's firewire I believe? | 07:09 |
| sirriffsalothp | There's an Onyx 1640i here, can it be used with say kxstudio or ubuntustudio? It's firewire I believe | 07:10 |
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| jim | sirriffsalothp, jack can connect to hardware sound drivers, like alsa. in that case, jack would make the ins and outs of the sound card available | 08:13 |
| jim | so they can be connected to | 08:14 |
| jim | kxstudio has a thing called cadence, which helps you start jack, pulse, bridges and connect to alsa (or other) sound drivers | 08:36 |
| sirriffsalothp | jim: but I'd like to run jack on the external, and just run my internal sound card normally at the same time | 08:41 |
| bill-auger | sirriffsalothp: you can do that easily | 08:42 |
| bill-auger | jack can connect to furewire devices also | 08:42 |
| bill-auger | open cadence and go to the JACK settings and choose the device you want to use | 08:42 |
| sirriffsalothp | bill-auger: guess I'll have to goof around with it then. Also, how on earth do I disable the screen lock completely here? Trying to listen to seminars and it locks out. The settings don't seem to have a disable option | 08:43 |
| sirriffsalothp | bill-auger: aha, but in the alsa interface I can only either use my external or internal, but not both at the same time. Where do I utilize the other one? | 08:45 |
| bill-auger | try xscreensaver-demo | 08:46 |
| bill-auger | you said you wanted JACK only for the external card - and ALSA for your internal card | 08:46 |
| sirriffsalothp | No such program or option to install according to commandline | 08:46 |
| sirriffsalothp | bill-auger: right, but I see no "jack" option standalone here? | 08:47 |
| sirriffsalothp | bill-auger: are you saying I can run jack for both devices? | 08:47 |
| bill-auger | you could but not with cadence | 08:47 |
| bill-auger | just open cadence and go to the JACK settings and choose the device you want to use | 08:48 |
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| bill-auger | for the screensaver setting it is probably on your menu under preferences or settings or something like that | 08:49 |
| sirriffsalothp | bill-auger: I'm not that much of a noob, that I can do :P What I want to do is have sound going in and out of my external, but also from my internal sound card when I want at the same time | 08:49 |
| sirriffsalothp | Looked there already :P | 08:49 |
| bill-auger | i dont use ubuntu so i dunno - search the web for "ubuntu disable screen saver" | 08:49 |
| bill-auger | if you want sound to go to and from both sound cards you can use the alsa_in and also_out commands | 08:51 |
| bill-auger | or just run wires from linein<->lineout | 08:51 |
| sirriffsalothp | bill-auger: almost forgot about those commands, I'll give it a try later. Aren't you running kxstudio? | 08:51 |
| bill-auger | no kxstudio is ubuntu | 08:51 |
| bill-auger | kxstudio is a distro but also a package repo - i have the kxstudio tools installed on debian | 08:53 |
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| bill-auger | another way to accomplish what you want is with the pulseaudio bridge of you have pulseaudio running | 08:56 |
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| jim | hmm... I set up deb-src lines in a debian, and built the cadence packages, and they work fine | 09:00 |
| jim | the package metadata isn't filled out completely, so that means I have to read the control file to find the build depends | 09:01 |
| bill-auger | you did not need to build anything - the binaries are in the repo too | 09:02 |
| jim | but I did that, and the packages built... I installed them, and I got pulse, jack and alsa to cooperate at the same time... | 09:02 |
| jim | in the debian repo? | 09:02 |
| bill-auger | in the kxstudio repos | 09:03 |
| bill-auger | all i had to do was install the kxstudio-repos deb package and everything works OOTB | 09:03 |
| jim | if they were there, I would have installed them... the ones in the kx repo are mostly statically linked, and instead I wanted them to be linked against libs that -are- in the debian repo... and I accomplished that... | 09:04 |
| jim | oh, I know it does, I tried that too0 | 09:04 |
| jim | what I wanted to avoid like the plague that it is, was importing a foreign dependency tree... I accomplished that too | 09:05 |
| jim | that can -easily- lead to disaster... and I'm living proof of that :) | 09:06 |
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| trombada | hi | 12:35 |
| trombada | I got a question about /proc/asound/timers. When setting up jack with Cadence, we have basically 3 options: system, cycle and hpet. I'm using an external soundcard (m-audio) and a realtime linux kernel. Which of these 3 options would be the best for my case? I also have a midi controller and use it often | 12:37 |
| trombada | G0: system timer : 4000.000us (10000000 ticks) | 12:37 |
| trombada | G3: HR timer : 0.001us (1000000000 ticks) | 12:37 |
| trombada | these are the first 2 lines of the timers file | 12:37 |
| trombada | found no much info to help me decide which option I should go with | 12:39 |
| trombada | any clues? | 12:39 |
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| falktx|work | cycle is no longer an option | 13:03 |
| falktx|work | hpet is not very good because has limits | 13:03 |
| falktx|work | system one is fine for 99% of usecases | 13:04 |
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| trombada | falktx|work: thank you! | 13:58 |
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| dreamer | falktx|work: meh. the amazon download for ardour still doesn't work :P | 15:34 |
| falktx|work | it does work on ubuntu 16.04 and 14.04 | 15:36 |
| falktx|work | so kinda have to say it's a debian testing issue.. | 15:36 |
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| rgareus | too late for trombada, but the timers "system, cycle and hpet" for jack are *only* used for calculating x-run duration. | 16:04 |
| rgareus | it has zero effect on anything audio or midi. | 16:04 |
| JackWinter | rgareus: doesn't jack use high res timers if they are available? | 16:05 |
| rgareus | JackWinter: it uses the soundcard's interrupt | 16:06 |
| rgareus | which is precise. | 16:06 |
| dreamer | falktx|work: annoying as F :/ | 16:07 |
| JackWinter | for audio yes. at least hopefully it's precise, otherwise your in trouble ;) | 16:08 |
| rgareus | JackWinter: well, there is some additional API: samples_since_cycle_start() -- that can be useful for e.g. video applications. the jack-client is run <sometime> in the cycle. | 16:08 |
| rgareus | JackWinter: likewise for MIDI | 16:08 |
| rgareus | JackWinter: the jack-client gets timestamps for every event in the current cycle. and those timestamps are generated by the alsa kernel driver. | 16:09 |
| rgareus | not by jack | 16:09 |
| JackWinter | that's the only clock that is really valid for audio, anything else would be fscked up | 16:09 |
| rgareus | dreamer: "amazon download" ? | 16:10 |
| dreamer | yeah | 16:10 |
| rgareus | dreamer: what's that? | 16:10 |
| dreamer | E: Failed to fetch https://github-cloud.s3.amazonaws.com/releases .. etc etc | 16:10 |
| dreamer | for ardour5 the .deb is fetched from github | 16:10 |
| dreamer | which gives a 505 HTTP Version not supported | 16:11 |
| rgareus | aah, so really a github issue. maybe they didn't pay their bills :) | 16:11 |
| rgareus | I thought someone started selling ardour on http:://amazon.com :) | 16:12 |
| dreamer | could be an apt issue. apparently on ubuntu the download works | 16:13 |
| falktx|work | rgareus: it's a debian issue afaik. the redirect from amazon aws causing issues | 16:13 |
| dreamer | now I need to find this file manually somewhere (forgot the link .>) | 16:13 |
| falktx|work | rgareus: only happens on latest debian testing | 16:13 |
| falktx|work | debian testing and ubuntu is fine | 16:13 |
| rgareus | dreamer: or maybe you just happened to get a different mirror | 16:13 |
| dreamer | rgareus: no, it happens always | 16:14 |
| dreamer | falktx|work: you mean 'debian stable' ? | 16:14 |
| falktx|work | debian jessie | 16:14 |
| falktx|work | yes | 16:14 |
| dreamer | yeah I like living on the edge .. which means I fall off often >_< | 16:14 |
| dreamer | (was actually almost thinking of installing ubuntu when I reinstalled earlier this week ..) | 16:15 |
| dreamer | got an ssd. and first time 64bit on my laptop :o | 16:15 |
| dreamer | anyway. hunt for ardour_5.3.5-1kxstudio1v5_amd64.deb continues .. | 16:15 |
| dreamer | there we go: https://github.com/KXStudio/Repository/releases/download/gcc5/ardour_5.3.5-1kxstudio1v5_amd64.deb | 16:16 |
| dreamer | falktx|work: so why are these files not in the regular repo? | 16:16 |
| dreamer | (bandwidth?) | 16:17 |
| falktx|work | they're not compiled by me | 16:17 |
| dreamer | ah ok | 16:17 |
| falktx|work | it's the official ardour binary repacked. launchpad does not accept those | 16:17 |
| dreamer | check | 16:17 |
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