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| DrNI | hi there. concerning my question of where does firefox/flash player audio go to: it goes to the alsa2jack bridge for some reason, which I can route where I want. good. | 07:11 |
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| DoverMo | oh | 07:12 |
| DoverMo | technically yes | 07:12 |
| DrNI | but? 8-) | 07:13 |
| DoverMo | but nothing | 07:14 |
| DoverMo | that's it | 07:14 |
| DoverMo | . | 07:14 |
| DrNI | however, in KDE's audio and video settings, I can't play the test sound this way | 07:15 |
| DoverMo | did you actually enable the alsa bridge? | 07:15 |
| DoverMo | because it sounds like you didn;t | 07:16 |
| DrNI | mh, so | 07:16 |
| DoverMo | "bridge for some reason," | 07:16 |
| DrNI | in catia I have alsa2jack | 07:16 |
| DrNI | which I route to 25/26 of my RME digi card | 07:16 |
| DrNI | and then flash player audio is available on my the SPDIF (25/26 of digi card) for my digital console | 07:16 |
| DoverMo | oh | 07:17 |
| DoverMo | so this is going to some seperate console | 07:17 |
| DoverMo | makes sense | 07:17 |
| DrNI | well, you know this is the real sh** here | 07:17 |
| DrNI | I have 26ch I/O | 07:17 |
| DoverMo | in other words you aren't using alsa at all | 07:17 |
| DrNI | *g* | 07:17 |
| DrNI | oh, well jack uses alsa again of course to access the RME digi card | 07:17 |
| DrNI | I switched to kxstudio only a couple of days ago and I like it | 07:18 |
| DoverMo | yeah, but alsa only exists on the source side | 07:18 |
| DoverMo | in that case. | 07:18 |
| DrNI | on my old system (kubuntu 12.04) I used a seperate hoontech pci card for "consumer" playback | 07:18 |
| DoverMo | DrNI: nice | 07:18 |
| DrNI | I still got this card, it is hw0:0 and audacity e.g. can use it and so can the KDE audio setup | 07:18 |
| DrNI | via alsa directly | 07:19 |
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| DrNI | I came to this setup for 2 reasons: a) most applications cannot deal with the RME Digi (but why should they anyways) b) the hoontech card mixes 16 stereo channels in hardware, so all of this software mixing for multiple applications accessing the device and stuff was not relevant | 07:20 |
| DrNI | and, ok reason 3: the hoontech card goes into an analog submixer with CD-player and radio and stuff. | 07:20 |
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| DrNI | but reason 3 is about to vanish, since I'll be having 2 machines, one for office work and one only for audio, in 2 rooms, so the radio and CD player will go to the living room etc | 07:21 |
| DrNI | so I can as well use the SPDIF out of the RME. (i cannot use the spdif out of the hoontech since it does not lock to the sample rate of the console. the RME card is clock master in my setup, so all bytes dance to the beat on its connections) | 07:22 |
| DoverMo | DrNI: why not use tape audio D: ? | 07:22 |
| DoverMo | playback with floppy disks | 07:22 |
| DrNI | oh well. *g* I know a guy who runs a tape-based studio here in town | 07:23 |
| DoverMo | O: | 07:23 |
| DoverMo | i wanna see that | 07:23 |
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| DoverMo | i don't have a u4 | 07:25 |
| DoverMo | u47* | 07:25 |
| DrNI | mh actually clementine, my favorite audio player reconnects to jack playback ports 1 and 2 every time I start playback | 07:26 |
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| DrNI | so it is not usable this way | 07:26 |
| DoverMo | DrNI: reroute it? | 07:28 |
| DrNI | everytime a song starts playing? | 07:28 |
| DrNI | not funny | 07:28 |
| DoverMo | oh yeah | 07:29 |
| DoverMo | when the song stops it'll disapear :D | 07:29 |
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| DrNI | ok installed the gstreamer alsa plugins | 07:30 |
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| DrNI | now clementine can use alsa | 07:31 |
| DrNI | and the alsa2jack bridge does it | 07:31 |
| DoverMo | DrNI: i'm looking up your thing.. so your interface is digital then? | 07:31 |
| DoverMo | like | 07:31 |
| DoverMo | the interface iteself | 07:31 |
| DoverMo | is digital | 07:31 |
| DrNI | the RME digi? entirely. 3x adat in, 3x adat out, one pair of SPDIF | 07:32 |
| DrNI | it is a very old card butrock solid and good linux drivers | 07:32 |
| DrNI | about 10 years old | 07:32 |
| DrNI | well, things work well so far. except for these kde audio things apparently not going into alsa2jack | 07:33 |
| DrNI | if that was fixed i'd be fine | 07:33 |
| DrNI | aah I need to set up the following device for KDE | 07:34 |
| DoverMo | kk | 07:34 |
| DrNI | "Unbekannt" (german for "unknown") | 07:34 |
| DrNI | then it weorks | 07:34 |
| DrNI | ok to summarize: I managed that all my "consumer" applications use alsa2jack, and in catia I can route the audio via a RME digi card into my digital console | 07:35 |
| DrNI | one last thing: can I make this persistent? so that my routing in catia is restaured on login? | 07:35 |
| DrNI | (the KDE sound thing is important for me since I think kdenlive uses it) | 07:36 |
| DoverMo | hm | 07:36 |
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| DoverMo | DrNI: you can load an xml file. but i'm not sure if that's a permanent fix | 07:37 |
| DoverMo | i'm not an expert | 07:38 |
| DoverMo | maybe look at the forums | 07:38 |
| DrNI | ok | 07:38 |
| DrNI | well it's not that urgent | 07:38 |
| DrNI | my life is a bit like a huge construction site at the moment... about to move to another place, new recording system, need another machine for office stuff, ... and other things. so this issue is minor | 07:39 |
| DrNI | mh I should do some mixing | 07:44 |
| DrNI | I# | 07:44 |
| DrNI | i'm behind with a project | 07:44 |
| DrNI | latest production I did: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJqTu7SdPak (with coco safir being the musical masterming/composer) | 07:45 |
| DoverMo | let me look | 07:45 |
| DoverMo | DrNI: do you master? | 07:48 |
| DrNI | sort of, yes | 07:48 |
| DoverMo | DrNI: do you have a process you could share? | 07:48 |
| DrNI | I use voxeno elephant (windows VST) and before that in the gain some EQ or sometimes voxengo GlissEQ | 07:49 |
| DoverMo | 0kay O: | 07:49 |
| DrNI | however, using windows VSTs is not highly recommended from the stability perspective | 07:49 |
| DrNI | my process as such is simple | 07:49 |
| DoverMo | oh | 07:49 |
| DrNI | I pick a few pieces from a similar genre | 07:49 |
| DrNI | throw them into clementine | 07:50 |
| DrNI | then I adjust the output of ardour and the output of clementine on my digital console with a peak-hold-enabled vu meter | 07:50 |
| DrNI | so that maximum volume is all the same | 07:50 |
| DrNI | and then I compare a little... how much "drive" do I want to let into the elephant? when do my ears feel like it is similarly loud than the examples | 07:51 |
| DoverMo | ohh | 07:51 |
| DrNI | it turns out, however, that with elephant you can't win in the loudness war. it is better than most plugins I know but not for that one. but to be honest, I'm a pacifist anyways | 07:51 |
| DrNI | so I often mix K-14 loudness (ardour has a meter, elephant too) | 07:52 |
| DoverMo | loud enough is okay | 07:52 |
| DrNI | I think especially for albums it is not that important to be that loud | 07:52 |
| DrNI | the argument of radio play - oh well, all the commercial stations run loudness maximizers on themselfs anyways - and in my musical league I never ever get radioplay anyways | 07:53 |
| DoverMo | heh | 07:53 |
| DrNI | so the listeners will crank up their volume knobs for the first track and enjoy the dynamics for the rest of the album | 07:53 |
| DrNI | I love well-mixed and well-mastered music and some of my favorites in sound have such a huge dynamic range, it's almost crazy | 07:54 |
| DoverMo | i never really cosidered having similar album tracks | 07:54 |
| DoverMo | well | 07:54 |
| DoverMo | hmm | 07:54 |
| * DoverMo is more utilitarian | 07:55 | |
| DrNI | anyways... in music, during the last years I more and more went away from this "do it right" attitude. I learned to trust my ears more. | 07:55 |
| DrNI | even more important in playing music than in recording. | 07:55 |
| DoverMo | yes | 07:57 |
| DoverMo | I look at as, if all the tracks support a high dynamic range, then that's great. but that doesn't happen all the time | 07:57 |
| DoverMo | you can go to town | 07:58 |
| DoverMo | but | 07:58 |
| DoverMo | then you have to go to town on many many tracks | 07:58 |
| DoverMo | then | 08:01 |
| DrNI | mh if you do a lot with synthesizers, it is hard to play with a large dynamic range | 08:01 |
| DoverMo | yeah | 08:01 |
| DrNI | I use hardware synthesizers only, and in one of my projects it's a key component | 08:04 |
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| FaTony | falktx`, how come when I do "make DEBUG=true" in DPF, it complains about undefined reference but not when I simply do "make". It complains about MaxDecayTime which is defined here: https://gitlab.com/ftz/audio/blob/master/Include/ftz/Audio/Envelope.h | 10:02 |
| LAbot | Title: Include/ftz/Audio/Envelope.h · master · ftz / Audio · GitLab (at gitlab.com) | 10:02 |
| falktx|work | FaTony: because release builds strip unused symbols (functions and variables) | 10:12 |
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| DrNI | hi there | 18:33 |
| DrNI | I just ported my regular "office work user" from a kubuntu 12.04 to kxstudio | 18:34 |
| DrNI | so far no major issues but of course I kept my settings and now I don't find the point where the bridge (also2jack and vice versa) are auto-started on login | 18:34 |
| DrNI | I found it! | 18:39 |
| DrNI | and just by accident a brass band starts playing outside | 18:39 |
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