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| COLABORATI | Hi, I am trying to install kdenlive, but get this error: | 13:39 |
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| COLABORATI | kdenlive : Depends: libnepomuk4 (>= 4:4.5.85) but it is not going to be installed E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. | 13:39 |
| COLABORATI | but there are no broken packages on that system. what is going on? Any hints? | 13:39 |
| COLABORATI | https://github.com/KXStudio/Repository/issues/27 | 13:39 |
| holstein | COLABORATI: try "sudo apt-get update" | 13:39 |
| holstein | then, i would make sure "sudo apt-get ugrade" or dist-upgrade complete without issue.. | 13:40 |
| holstein | then, i would try "sudo apt-get install kdenlive" again.. | 13:40 |
| COLABORATI | yes, did this already. also apt-get autoremove and apt-get -f install kdenlive. nothing helps | 13:40 |
| holstein | COLABORATI: sure, friend.. helps with what, though? | 13:40 |
| COLABORATI | tried all the usual things already, this is why i am asking here. | 13:40 |
| holstein | COLABORATI: you are getting errors from "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade"? | 13:40 |
| holstein | or, just trying to add kdenlive? | 13:41 |
| COLABORATI | did any update f* up some package dependencies, looks like that for me... | 13:41 |
| COLABORATI | or have there been any new kde packages in the main trusty repo that kill kxstudio deps? | 13:41 |
| holstein | COLABORATI: AFAIK, there is no intention to "kill" anything built in | 13:42 |
| COLABORATI | no errors with sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade | 13:42 |
| COLABORATI | when trying to install libnepomuk4 i get this: | 13:42 |
| COLABORATI | The following packages have unmet dependencies: libnepomuk4 : Depends: libkdecore5 (= 4:4.13.3-0ubuntu0.2) but 4:4.14.13a-4~ubuntu1~ubuntu14.04~ppa3 is to be installed Depends: libkdeui5 (= 4:4.13.3-0ubuntu0.2) but 4:4.14.13a-4~ubuntu1~ubuntu14.04~ppa3 is to be installed E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. | 13:43 |
| COLABORATI | ok, again, one line after the other... | 13:43 |
| holstein | sure.. i would see if i actually *have* held broken packages, or no | 13:43 |
| COLABORATI | libnepomuk4 : Depends: libkdecore5 (= 4:4.13.3-0ubuntu0.2) but 4:4.14.13a-4~ubuntu1~ubuntu14.04~ppa3 is to be installed | 13:43 |
| COLABORATI | Depends: libkdeui5 (= 4:4.13.3-0ubuntu0.2) but 4:4.14.13a-4~ubuntu1~ubuntu14.04~ppa3 is to be installed | 13:44 |
| holstein | sometimes, i have had to work backwards from an issue.. also, seems like you may have more PPA's? | 13:44 |
| holstein | falktx|work 's ppas are meant to be more "stand-alone", to help with these potential issues | 13:44 |
| COLABORATI | I try to remove all ppas and see what happens | 13:44 |
| holstein | well, no need to go removing all of them | 13:45 |
| holstein | do you have other PPA's that could be causing conflicts? | 13:45 |
| COLABORATI | only darktable and scribus | 13:45 |
| COLABORATI | i am going to remove all of them right now to test what happens | 13:46 |
| holstein | i would just wait on falktx|work to respond... | 13:46 |
| holstein | i dont think those should cause any issue.. | 13:46 |
| COLABORATI | usually they do not generate problems, I will test anyway, it is just a backup machine, however I just wanted to quickly edit some video on it because main workstation is "full" | 13:47 |
| COLABORATI | ah, ok, i just see there is also libreoffice ppa... well, that might bring in a little bit too much... | 13:48 |
| holstein | https://github.com/KXStudio/Repository/issues/18 and it seems falktx|work is working on it | 13:50 |
| COLABORATI | yes, that is the same trouble. But I am on ubuntu trusty. | 13:52 |
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| COLABORATI | btw is it normal to have so many different repos as origins after installing the kxstudio repo? | 13:53 |
| COLABORATI | I see kxstudio-debian-*-lucid e.g. but i am on trusty | 13:54 |
| holstein | im not really sure what will be "normal" for you.. or what you have done to install what ppa's | 13:54 |
| COLABORATI | seems, however, that no package from that origins are installed | 13:54 |
| holstein | the sources are stand-alone, from what i am told | 13:54 |
| COLABORATI | i do not 'stand-alone' in that context - what do you mean? Do you mean 'the kxstudio sources have no dependencies to packages that are not in that repo'? does not make sense. | 13:56 |
| COLABORATI | missing word: understand | 13:56 |
| holstein | thats what im told | 13:56 |
| COLABORATI | xserver-xorg | 13:57 |
| COLABORATI | etc so many system packages they depend on | 13:57 |
| COLABORATI | that sentence simply does not make any sense | 13:57 |
| COLABORATI | there is no 'stand-alone' terminus afaik in packaging - but I am no package expert, please correct me if anybody knows, what 'stnad-alone' could mean in that context. | 13:58 |
| falktx|work | hey hey | 13:59 |
| falktx|work | COLABORATI: are you using mint? | 13:59 |
| COLABORATI | no, i am on trusty | 13:59 |
| falktx|work | I wrote a comment there | 13:59 |
| falktx|work | those ~ppa3 packages come from the kubuntu ppas, not kxstudio | 13:59 |
| holstein | COLABORATI: stand alone, really in any context, is just that. meaning, what you said.. they dont have dependencies outside of the repository | 14:00 |
| COLABORATI | i am just removing libreoffice ppa - but liblcms2-2 from that libreoffice repo uninstalls nearky whole system, so it will take some time to reinstall everything | 14:00 |
| holstein | ^ that message is why i started to reference other sources.. since that was trying to pull in a ppa package that wasnt ubuntu, or kxstudio | 14:00 |
| COLABORATI | ah, yes, now I see them, there are also kubuntu backports, jesus, did not see it in the package list! | 14:01 |
| COLABORATI | so just remove everythig from that kubuntu backports should fix it? | 14:01 |
| COLABORATI | i will try! | 14:01 |
| falktx|work | no need, just force the version | 14:01 |
| falktx|work | sudo apt-get install kdenlive libkdecore5 libkdeui5 | 14:01 |
| falktx|work | that's a start | 14:02 |
| COLABORATI | ok, understand now what was meant bei holstein, thanks for the hint! | 14:02 |
| falktx|work | add more kubuntu stuff until it works | 14:02 |
| COLABORATI | i do not remember why i even had kubuntu backports - i am using xfce and try to avoid any bloat as much as possible. | 14:04 |
| COLABORATI | think it was because the scribus guys still do not provide ubuntu packages for new versions. | 14:04 |
| COLABORATI | all that packaging stuff must be reinvented, i hope ubuntu snappy will bring some sanity into that weirdo package bs | 14:05 |
| COLABORATI | crazy! | 14:05 |
| holstein | well, keeping with stock is one way to deal with it | 14:05 |
| holstein | 14.04 is still supported.. its just when we want to update large key pieces of the operating system | 14:05 |
| COLABORATI | btw falkxt - thanks for your TITANIOUS work on packaging all that music stuff, it is incredible!!! | 14:06 |
| holstein | PPA's are a nice/easy way to facilitate that in a non-rolling release | 14:06 |
| COLABORATI | btw is there some beta work going on for 16.04 already? | 14:06 |
| holstein | the repos are stand alone.. | 14:06 |
| COLABORATI | i would like to test 16.04 on one notebook, but availability of kxstudio is holding me back... | 14:07 |
| holstein | 16.04 its self is quite new.. | 14:07 |
| holstein | i wouldnt run 16.04 on a production machine, at this point, if i were expecting no issues.. | 14:08 |
| COLABORATI | just two months now. looks fine already, but i am only testing xubuntu | 14:08 |
| holstein | otherwise, the kxstudio sources should "just work", since they are stand alone | 14:08 |
| holstein | 16.04 is not released yet | 14:08 |
| holstein | april is when it will be officially supported.. it may full well look "fine", and may have no problems.. but, its not released yet | 14:08 |
| holstein | all of the official ubuntu versions share the same sources.. | 14:09 |
| COLABORATI | ah, ok, now understand 'stand-alone' - in this context you now are saying 'the repos have no dependency on any specific distro' - is that right? | 14:09 |
| holstein | COLABORATI: as you said, none outside of the repo, its self.. meaning, its stand alone | 14:09 |
| COLABORATI | ok, thanks for clarification, i know better understand what you meant by 'stand-alone'! | 14:10 |
| holstein | so, ideally, there is no need for testing in 16.04.. the sources, stand alone, and can be "bolted on" to most anything | 14:10 |
| COLABORATI | thanks again for explaining! | 14:11 |
| COLABORATI | so that is why e.g. hydrogen is installed from kxstudio-debian-apps/lucid also on a trusty system, I assume? because in fact it does not matter if it is on lucid or on trusty? | 14:13 |
| holstein | the stand alone sources should be able to be bolted onto any distro.. so the packages, and all dependencies stand alone, and are in place.. | 14:14 |
| COLABORATI | ok, i was always wondering why that lucid and debian sources occur after installing kxstudio repos. | 14:14 |
| falktx|work | it's the generic builds | 14:15 |
| falktx|work | lucid was the old base. now generic builds are done in trusty | 14:15 |
| COLABORATI | falk, that would be great to have explained in a FAQ ! | 14:16 |
| COLABORATI | 'Why do I have so many repo sources after installing the kxstudio repos?' | 14:16 |
| COLABORATI | also this would be a great explanation for people that would like to better understand how you exactly package all that stuff | 14:17 |
| COLABORATI | ...(and maybe would like to help at some point in future... after understanding what exactly is going on...) | 14:17 |
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| falktx|work | sometime soon I'll have to write that | 14:19 |
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| COLABORATI | btw something completely different now | 14:24 |
| COLABORATI | what about network manager? | 14:24 |
| holstein | AFAIK, kxstudio isnt packaging that | 14:25 |
| COLABORATI | I read somewhere in the linuxaudio forums that network manager is bad for audio because it is polling ? | 14:25 |
| holstein | are you having issues with "audio"? | 14:25 |
| COLABORATI | is there some more information about that anywhere? | 14:25 |
| holstein | i say, go with what is actually happening on your system.. | 14:25 |
| holstein | if you arent having a problem, dont try and fix one | 14:25 |
| COLABORATI | atm no issues, was just interested in that network manager thing | 14:26 |
| holstein | otherwise, there are lots of things that can have an effect on performance.. relating specifically to audio, and not specific to audio | 14:26 |
| holstein | what do i do? i disable networking completely on my production machine | 14:26 |
| COLABORATI | is there any source that describes what problems with network manager exist and how to identify and measure that kind of problems? | 14:27 |
| COLABORATI | any blog post ? | 14:27 |
| holstein | COLABORATI: thats the thing, through.. friend | 14:27 |
| holstein | its not a "problem" at all | 14:28 |
| holstein | its a potential mis-match with what one is wanting to do vs the design | 14:28 |
| holstein | just as, one of the earlier realtime kernels may help facilitate lower latency, but, would not help with battery life on a laptop | 14:28 |
| holstein | most configuration issues like that are not problems, or breakage..but, actually just preference or addressing a certain work flow | 14:29 |
| COLABORATI | is there any audio-latency related test suite? | 14:29 |
| COLABORATI | like e.g. powertop ? | 14:29 |
| holstein | one of the best reasons to use a distro and sources such as kxstudio is that most of these issues are already addressed with the sane defaults, and the audio work flow in mind | 14:29 |
| holstein | COLABORATI: sure.. there are lots of tests.. | 14:30 |
| holstein | COLABORATI: what do i do? i test myself by using the hardware and software i have.. | 14:30 |
| holstein | i address what is needed to get what i need.. that may or may not be lower latency.. or, that latency "issue" may be hardware or driver support related | 14:30 |
| COLABORATI | yes, that is certainly very good idea. however besides anecdotical evidence there must be some way of measuring things? | 14:31 |
| holstein | COLABORATI: sure. there are ways for *you* to measure things, on your specific system, and for your needs.. which will be different on another machine with different hardware.. and different than mine.. and based on specific needs | 14:31 |
| holstein | but, i say, just isolate and test as much as you can.. you can simply stop, or disable the network manager, and test with jack running, whatever you need | 14:32 |
| holstein | you may find, there is actually nothing going on that is affecting your work flow.. you may find, some IRQ interrupt issue specific to your system that this would somehow make or break audio production | 14:33 |
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| tuaim | hey all, in catia under the jack configuration, what is NetOne? | 21:43 |
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