| holstein | interesting | 00:00 |
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| redraw | I come from the website, but still confused about how to install kxstudio from another Ubuntu 14.04 distro | 00:01 |
| holstein | you wont | 00:01 |
| holstein | you'll literally add the kxstudio sources.. the PPA's.. then, you can run the commands to "convert" your ubuntu 14.04 to kxstudio, or, you can just install what you like from those additional sources | 00:02 |
| holstein | redraw: ^ | 00:02 |
| redraw | keeping XFCE installed | 00:02 |
| holstein | sure | 00:02 |
| holstein | .g kxstudio repositories | 00:02 |
| therealthelonius | holstein: http://kxstudio.linuxaudio.org/Repositories | 00:02 |
| LAbot | Title: KXStudio : Repositories (at kxstudio.linuxaudio.org) | 00:02 |
| holstein | you'll note the ones relating to ubuntu, specifically | 00:02 |
| redraw | that page is different from another instructions | 00:03 |
| redraw | sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kxstudio-team/kxstudio | 00:04 |
| redraw | sudo apt-get update | 00:04 |
| redraw | sudo apt-get install kxstudio-repos | 00:04 |
| holstein | cool | 00:04 |
| holstein | use the ones from the official site.. | 00:04 |
| redraw | ok | 00:04 |
| redraw | not those? | 00:04 |
| holstein | redraw: you are welcome to reference https://launchpad.net/~kxstudio-team/+archive/ubuntu/ppa where you will note, you are asked not to use that ppa | 00:05 |
| LAbot | Title: KXStudio-Team Main : “KXStudio Team” team (at launchpad.net) | 00:05 |
| redraw | great | 00:06 |
| holstein | redraw: not sure what you are trying to do, or what directions you are following. but, if you are running ubuntu 14.04, and want to "convert" or just add the sources, follow the official guide i linked | 00:06 |
| redraw | thanks holstein | 00:06 |
| holstein | i cant speak for whatever else you may find | 00:06 |
| redraw | that was not explicit on the official website | 00:06 |
| redraw | holstein, that one will include the "kxstudio-default-settings" package? | 00:10 |
| redraw | and the kernel low latency drivers? | 00:10 |
| redraw | sorry | 00:10 |
| redraw | not drivers | 00:10 |
| holstein | well, there are no "low latency drivers" | 00:10 |
| redraw | just the kxstudio low latency kernel | 00:10 |
| holstein | but, the *same* low latency kernel that ships in kxstudio is in the ubuntu repos | 00:10 |
| holstein | so, you can literally "sudo apt-get install linux-lowlatency" from stock ubuntu 14.04 | 00:11 |
| redraw | ok. | 00:11 |
| holstein | and, i suggest, you use the system, and do some testing, and configure the latency to meet your needs | 00:11 |
| holstein | can be, the generic kernel is a "better" fit.. depending on what one is doing | 00:11 |
| redraw | just to be sure. this is not going to install KDE. | 00:12 |
| redraw | It is just going to install KXStudio core and applications | 00:12 |
| redraw | and JACK configured | 00:13 |
| holstein | redraw: KDE *is* a core kxstudio application | 00:13 |
| redraw | well, I said I'd like to keep my XFCE installed | 00:13 |
| holstein | you can choose to, as i stated, install ubuntu 14.04, and *convert*, *or*, just add the sources and add what you like | 00:13 |
| holstein | redraw: sure.. do that | 00:13 |
| holstein | redraw: i donnt use KDE | 00:13 |
| holstein | no one will make you remove XFCE.. | 00:13 |
| holstein | have good backups, do "best-practices", and consider test building what you want/need in VM.. then you'll know *exactly* what is going to happen | 00:14 |
| holstein | i typically just add the sources and use what desktop i chose | 00:14 |
| redraw | you're right yes.. | 00:14 |
| holstein | choose* | 00:14 |
| holstein | you will likely get, at best, KDE/qt libs | 00:15 |
| redraw | however the official page offers to install that .deb package which includes everything I suppose, not just the sources.. that's why I was asking | 00:15 |
| holstein | redraw: i add the sources i want, that contain the software i want | 00:16 |
| holstein | *or*, i just install kxstudio, and *then*, install the desktop i want | 00:16 |
| holstein | you can, arguably more easily, install kxstudio, and add xfce | 00:16 |
| holstein | AFAIK, falk has provided kxstudio specific settings and configs for them all | 00:17 |
| redraw | yes, I'm confused about that. he mentions a package "kxstudio-desktop-xfce" which worked on ubuntu 12.01 | 00:18 |
| holstein | if you are looking for "do this, and i promise, you'll get exactly what you want.." i cant promise you that | 00:18 |
| holstein | you'll need to go on and do "best-practices".. have a mirror or good backups | 00:18 |
| redraw | no, don't mind | 00:18 |
| holstein | what do i to? i typically just install in VM, and test what *exactly* happens.. | 00:18 |
| redraw | it's just confusing | 00:19 |
| holstein | sure is | 00:19 |
| redraw | I'll have to try on a VM as you say | 00:19 |
| holstein | you want things that are not in the ubuntu repo | 00:19 |
| holstein | and you want things *not* to be included from the sources you are adding | 00:19 |
| holstein | so, you'll just need to work out a stradegy for that | 00:19 |
| holstein | should be quite easy, and the shortest path to just install kxstudio 14.04 and sudo apt-get xfce4.. | 00:20 |
| redraw | yep | 00:20 |
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| lotsoftuna | Hi, I'm wondering if there's a compatibility chart somewhere | 19:13 |
| lotsoftuna | or if the E-MU 0404 USB works with the LiveCD | 19:14 |
| lotsoftuna | That would fantastic if I could get a response, thanks :) | 19:14 |
| holstein | i usually just try them | 19:14 |
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| holstein | theres http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Main but, for me, its more about how *i* make it work | 19:14 |
| LAbot | Title: Matrix:Main - AlsaProject (at www.alsa-project.org) | 19:14 |
| holstein | kernel versions, and alsa versions.. etc.. | 19:15 |
| lotsoftuna | ? | 19:15 |
| olinuxx | lotsoftuna, if the package "alsa-firmware" it should works out of the box | 19:15 |
| olinuxx | lotsoftuna, if the package "alsa-firmware" is installed, it should works out of the box | 19:15 |
| lotsoftuna | http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-emu10k1-fpga | 19:15 |
| LAbot | Title: Matrix:Module-emu10k1-fpga - AlsaProject (at www.alsa-project.org) | 19:15 |
| holstein | *if* the hardware supports alsa/linux, then, it'll work | 19:15 |
| lotsoftuna | Does KXstudio have that package installed? | 19:15 |
| holstein | lotsoftuna: alsa is in kxstudio, correct.. | 19:16 |
| lotsoftuna | Okay, so it should be supported. Now, my question is how to set it up... | 19:16 |
| holstein | thats just the thing | 19:17 |
| holstein | you dont | 19:17 |
| holstein | it either supports alsa, or not... | 19:17 |
| holstein | if it does, then, it "just works" with linux | 19:17 |
| lotsoftuna | It should support alsa | 19:17 |
| lotsoftuna | or alsa should support it... I believe | 19:17 |
| holstein | nothing about linux can prevent them from supporting it.. typically, USB devices are "class compliant" | 19:17 |
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| lotsoftuna | how do i login lmao | 19:42 |
| lotsoftuna | nvmind | 19:43 |
| lotsoftuna | now ait | 19:43 |
| lotsoftuna | that didn't work. I did "kxstudio" without any password | 19:43 |
| lotsoftuna | without quotes as well | 19:44 |
| holstein | you shouldnt need to | 19:44 |
| holstein | but, try and not get caught up there | 19:45 |
| holstein | there are lots of live iso's with these same tools | 19:45 |
| holstein | you can try avlinux, or ubuntustudio | 19:45 |
| lotsoftuna | okay, but it's just not booting | 19:45 |
| holstein | could be anything with your setup that is failing | 19:45 |
| lotsoftuna | it doesn't start | 19:45 |
| holstein | lotsoftuna: doesnt start, or, dosnt let you login? | 19:45 |
| holstein | anyways, i say, just keep moving, if you are new to it.. there are so many things that could be goiing on | 19:45 |
| holstein | bad USB. bad iso download.. no GPU driver support.. etc | 19:46 |
| lotsoftuna | can't login | 19:46 |
| holstein | so, you are looking at a graphical login screen, correct? and its just sitting there? | 19:46 |
| lotsoftuna | seems to be a graphical issue yeah | 19:46 |
| lotsoftuna | I can do console login | 19:46 |
| lotsoftuna | startx seems to just give me a black screen | 19:47 |
| lotsoftuna | :S | 19:47 |
| holstein | that would seem to support that the GPU is not supporting kxstudio | 19:47 |
| holstein | you can try passing "nomodeset", or getting to safe graphics moce | 19:47 |
| holstein | mode* | 19:47 |
| holstein | but, again, this is quite removed from "doesn my USB device work" | 19:47 |
| holstein | now, you are at a low level hardware support issue that can be challening | 19:47 |
| holstein | challenging | 19:47 |
| holstein | you can get the latest ubuntu 15.10.. xubuntu, or ubuntustudio 15.10.. see that everything is working, and add the kxstudio sources to it, after install.. | 19:48 |
| lotsoftuna | does AVLinux have the same low-latency kernel? | 19:48 |
| holstein | again, friend. we are not worried about that | 19:49 |
| lotsoftuna | Well I am... | 19:49 |
| lotsoftuna | that's the whole point of using KXStudio, to take advantage of low-latency | 19:49 |
| holstein | we are *only* looking to answer the quetsion "does my USB device work with linux" | 19:49 |
| holstein | the reason i suggest avlinux is due to the older kernel, and different potential support | 19:50 |
| holstein | lotsoftuna: well, "low latency" kernels are in most distros | 19:50 |
| holstein | lotsoftuna: try and not get too caught up in that.. | 19:50 |
| holstein | you either are doiing live effects processing, or live midi instruments, and need low latency or not | 19:50 |
| lotsoftuna | My USB device works with linux | 19:50 |
| lotsoftuna | It boots | 19:50 |
| holstein | i need 8ms latency to do that comfortably | 19:50 |
| lotsoftuna | it loads everything | 19:50 |
| lotsoftuna | it just won't start a graphical ui | 19:51 |
| holstein | sure, and from there, you cannot determine if the usb device is working with jack | 19:51 |
| holstein | anyways.. try and seperate the issues out.. see what GPU you have, and what it takes to support linux | 19:51 |
| holstein | then, you can move on to the other issues.. | 19:52 |
| lotsoftuna | what is the root password | 20:00 |
| holstein | sudo | 20:00 |
| holstein | should have or need one.. | 20:00 |
| holstein | but, you shouldnt need a root password, anyways.. | 20:00 |
| lotsoftuna | to reset xorg config | 20:00 |
| holstein | so, nomodeset didnt work?" | 20:01 |
| lotsoftuna | it does | 20:01 |
| falktx | nomodeset can be added by pressing 'F6' key before boot | 20:01 |
| lotsoftuna | but I still can't startx | 20:01 |
| lotsoftuna | rather, startx does something, but then nothing is shown onscreen | 20:02 |
| holstein | id say, check the iso sum if nomodeset isnt working.. | 20:02 |
| falktx | see the xorg log | 20:02 |
| lotsoftuna | so I'm guessing incompatibility with my GPU | 20:02 |
| falktx | lotsoftuna: /var/log/Xorg.0.log should say something | 20:02 |
| holstein | does it work with *any* linux? what hardware is it? | 20:02 |
| lotsoftuna | hostein: worked with Debian | 20:03 |
| lotsoftuna | I run Arch Linux as my host btw | 20:04 |
| lotsoftuna | which I have nvidia drivers for | 20:04 |
| lotsoftuna | Debian worked with Nouveau drivers fine,a s a live ISO | 20:04 |
| lotsoftuna | so did Mint | 20:04 |
| lotsoftuna | GPU: nVidia 310M | 20:04 |
| lotsoftuna | log doesn't show anything useful | 20:04 |
| holstein | you can use "tab" to autocomplete nicks.. i would check the log falktx references.. | 20:04 |
| holstein | if debian works, just use it.. falk provides sources for it as well | 20:05 |
| lotsoftuna | I'd really rather just use the LiveISO | 20:05 |
| holstein | arch too.. and, mint has the same tools in it.. | 20:05 |
| lotsoftuna | Id on't want to installa nything | 20:05 |
| lotsoftuna | I'd rather not install it in Arch | 20:05 |
| lotsoftuna | I don't need to do this too much really | 20:05 |
| holstein | lotsoftuna: right.. use *any* of those live you choose | 20:05 |
| lotsoftuna | :/ | 20:05 |
| lotsoftuna | why | 20:05 |
| holstein | as a means to an end | 20:06 |
| lotsoftuna | :/ | 20:06 |
| holstein | to see if the device works with jack | 20:06 |
| lotsoftuna | it probably does | 20:06 |
| holstein | the usb device you refernce.. | 20:06 |
| lotsoftuna | I don't care about the device right now tbh, I just wanna find out why XORG doesn't work with the LiveISo | 20:06 |
| lotsoftuna | huh | 20:07 |
| lotsoftuna | so... | 20:07 |
| lotsoftuna | one log claims that /dev/dri/card0: no such file/dir | 20:07 |
| holstein | sure. isolate and test for that, if you feel thats the issue | 20:08 |
| lotsoftuna | Also says that Screen0 was deleted | 20:08 |
| holstein | i would test my downloaded iso sum first, though.. and the stick.. | 20:08 |
| lotsoftuna | stickw orks fine, I used it to install Arch Linux and try Debian/Mint | 20:08 |
| lotsoftuna | it's worked many times before | 20:09 |
| lotsoftuna | it is a hardware issue I am sure | 20:09 |
| holstein | sure, friend. im not saying its the stick. but, it can be the creation of the stick.. although, *all* hard drives do fail | 20:09 |
| lotsoftuna | md5 is matching | 20:10 |
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| lotsoftuna | okay | 20:50 |
| lotsoftuna | still have no idea why it doesn't work | 20:50 |
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| JackWinter | lotsoftuna: archlinx with nvidia card? i suppose you need to install either nouveau or nvidia and nvidia-utils, or possibly 304xx or 340xx versions thereof (if it's an older card). see: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NVIDIA | 21:53 |
| LAbot | Title: NVIDIA - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org) | 21:53 |
| lotsoftuna | so | 21:54 |
| lotsoftuna | I installed Audacity on my Arch host | 21:54 |
| lotsoftuna | and plugged in the EMU | 21:54 |
| lotsoftuna | and it recognized it right away | 21:54 |
| lotsoftuna | and I'm recording audio right now | 21:54 |
| lotsoftuna | from a CD player, as a test | 21:54 |
| lotsoftuna | and it works great. sorry for hitting enter so much, I'm just kinda... eccstatic | 21:55 |
| JackWinter | cool. happy to hear | 21:55 |
| lotsoftuna | really happy that it just works right out of the box with ALSA, and I believe it supports 24/192Khz fully | 21:55 |
| JackWinter | mostly usb cards work nowdays. | 21:56 |
| lotsoftuna | Now I'm more curious about setting like | 21:58 |
| lotsoftuna | or finding out latency | 21:58 |
| lotsoftuna | idk how to do that | 21:58 |
| lotsoftuna | or if it even matters? | 21:58 |
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| JackWinter | only you can say if it matters. play something and if the latency is too high, then lower buffersize in jack | 22:06 |
| JackWinter | also try 3 periods/buffer if you are using usb. | 22:06 |
| JackWinter | sometimes 3 period at a lower buffer size works better than 2 periods/buffer at a higher buffer size | 22:07 |
| lotsoftuna | tbh, latency/buffer shouldn't matter when recording a record or something right | 22:10 |
| lotsoftuna | it'd matter more if I was doing instrumental recordings, right | 22:10 |
| lotsoftuna | because I'd want to hear what I'm playing, but also record it? | 22:11 |
| lotsoftuna | or, listen to it as it's being recorded, but from my PC | 22:11 |
| lotsoftuna | instead of my EMU | 22:11 |
| JackWinter | yes, if you are just recording use a high buffersize, if you want to play through fx in the computer and monitor in realtime, then you'd need low latency. | 22:13 |
| JackWinter | with higher latency you'll have less of a chance of an xrun | 22:13 |
| JackWinter | s/recording/recording and playing back/ | 22:14 |
| lotsoftuna | Yeah, so for now, there's no concern really | 22:15 |
| JackWinter | if you are overdubbing, you ought to make sure that the app knows the true latency of the chain, as usb adds a lot of latency in addition to the jack buffersize. | 22:15 |
| JackWinter | normally the app only know the latency of jack, not the additional latency. but you can test for that and adjust it with arguments to jack | 22:16 |
| lotsoftuna | ah | 22:22 |
| lotsoftuna | Good information for the future, thanks | 22:22 |
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| JackWinter | np, gnight | 22:47 |
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