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| QuantumTonto | can't really figure out why only laptop microphone is all thats available .. this machine has 2 input microphone/input jacks .. any ideas ? | 15:53 |
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| holstein | QuantumTonto: whats the goal? | 15:54 |
| QuantumTonto | trying to plug guitar in via hardware input to run thru effects .. | 15:54 |
| holstein | yeah, that likely wont work, regardless | 15:54 |
| holstein | i would get a simple/cheap USB interface that has an instrument input | 15:55 |
| holstein | if you want to use your internal audio device, test it *independently* of the guitar input, since, the card its self is not designed to accept instrument inputs like that | 15:55 |
| QuantumTonto | how does that not work ? i've done it before on other systems .. .. how is a line in not work ? | 15:55 |
| holstein | QuantumTonto: im not saying a line in isnt capable, and wont "work".. but, you can google search and research impedance, and see how its not appropriate.. please, do not take my word for it, or, think i am being combatitive | 15:56 |
| QuantumTonto | lol ;) just trying to figure it out | 15:56 |
| holstein | sure | 15:57 |
| holstein | but, the creators of that hardware, the internal audio sound card, likely never state "just plug a guitar in and jam".. also, there is the question of impedance | 15:57 |
| QuantumTonto | this pc does have 2 1/8 inch inputs though .. but youre saying its not good because of impedance (which i need to go look up) ? | 15:58 |
| holstein | when i used to do that a *long* time ago, i would get away with it by using a mixer.. a stand alone hardware mixer.. i would plug instruments/mics into the mixer.. line out of it, into the computer line in | 15:58 |
| holstein | QuantumTonto: sure, i realise, you have 2 jacks that are shaped the same | 15:58 |
| holstein | QuantumTonto: please, research what the manufacturer *expects* you to plug into those inputs.. it will *not* be a guitar | 15:58 |
| holstein | so, what do i suggest? | 15:59 |
| holstein | please test the device with something that the manufacturer *does* expect.. test with a line out from something appropriate | 15:59 |
| QuantumTonto | hmm so whats the difference between a mic jack and a line in ? | 15:59 |
| holstein | QuantumTonto: many things.. and *neither* are for what yo uare using.. a guitar | 15:59 |
| holstein | QuantumTonto: both of those are for consumer level things.. plugging an ipod in.. skype.. etc | 16:00 |
| QuantumTonto | OK lol i got it .. DON'T plug the guitar in directly ;) | 16:00 |
| holstein | QuantumTonto: you can.. but, the input is not designed for a line in like that.. | 16:00 |
| QuantumTonto | i gotcha | 16:00 |
| QuantumTonto | looks like i'll be recording single tracks and not getting a "live" setup | 16:01 |
| QuantumTonto | i AM using an analog mixer as well .. | 16:01 |
| holstein | sure.. so what would i do? | 16:02 |
| QuantumTonto | but lining that in only gives one input for routing as opposed to a digital interface | 16:02 |
| QuantumTonto | so | 16:02 |
| holstein | unplug all of that.. and test the hardware with linux.. the inputs and outputs.. get that working, *then* you can move on | 16:02 |
| QuantumTonto | what WOULD you do | 16:02 |
| holstein | *and*, that gives you *2* inputs | 16:02 |
| holstein | left and right | 16:02 |
| holstein | digital wont give you more | 16:02 |
| QuantumTonto | yeah well thats the thing .. far as i can tell .. only the "webcam" mic is being picked up .. | 16:03 |
| QuantumTonto | not the lines in ... | 16:03 |
| holstein | digital vs analog is just that.. nothing to do with the amount of inputs | 16:03 |
| holstein | QuantumTonto: the 'webcam' is one of the things i would unplug | 16:03 |
| QuantumTonto | its a laptop ... | 16:03 |
| QuantumTonto | built in mic | 16:03 |
| holstein | QuantumTonto: then, thats likely part of the internal audio device. not the webcam | 16:04 |
| QuantumTonto | with two separate mic inputs that seem to be not working | 16:04 |
| holstein | sure. just test if they are or not | 16:04 |
| holstein | isolate, and test.. | 16:04 |
| QuantumTonto | it is .. i said 'webcam' so you'd know what type of internal mic it was .. | 16:05 |
| holstein | you cant trust any of the labels, since, the creators of the hardware likely dont officially support alsa | 16:05 |
| QuantumTonto | as of now, the only input that seems to be "working" is the built-in internal microphone | 16:05 |
| holstein | sure.. and all i can do is encourage you to do some testing, and tell you what i find | 16:06 |
| QuantumTonto | this is undesirable and im trying to figure out why the hardware inputs are not showing up .. | 16:06 |
| holstein | on the internal devices like that, there are no ways to select, like that | 16:06 |
| holstein | i just plug something into the line in,and its routed on a hardware level | 16:06 |
| holstein | or, all the in's are "just working" all the time.. which is not ideal for audio recording. these devices are not made for that | 16:07 |
| holstein | the "best" thing you can do, if you want to do audio recording is to get something that is intended for that | 16:07 |
| holstein | these days, $60 US can accomplish that.. | 16:07 |
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| QuantumTonto | i own analog and digital hardware .. im trying to figure out how to use what ive got on this newly installed kxstudio .. ive had all this stuff working before on other distros and machines ... | 16:08 |
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| QuantumTonto | its not working on this particular distro .. i do not know why | 16:09 |
| QuantumTonto | and thats what im tring to figure out | 16:09 |
| holstein | sure.. so, fire up the live iso for what *does* work, and make a note of kernel versions and alsa versions | 16:09 |
| holstein | you likely didnt use jack with the other distos | 16:09 |
| holstein | distros* | 16:09 |
| holstein | and you may not need jack? | 16:09 |
| holstein | anyways.. thats what KXstudio will be doing that is much different than what you are used to.. | 16:10 |
| QuantumTonto | what ? it doent use jack ? | 16:10 |
| holstein | QuantumTonto: no, friend.. JACK is running by default in kxstudio | 16:10 |
| holstein | QuantumTonto: thats not the case with *any* other distro by default.. so, thats a data point i want to make you aware of | 16:11 |
| QuantumTonto | jack is the basis of all linux audio .. of course its running ... | 16:11 |
| holstein | when you say, others work, and kx doesnt, we can talk about the differences.. jack all the time, and running at boot is the kx default.. which you may not be used to | 16:12 |
| QuantumTonto | ive setup my own systems | 16:12 |
| QuantumTonto | with jack | 16:12 |
| QuantumTonto | ruinning audio apps .. | 16:12 |
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| QuantumTonto | im not asking about differences | 16:13 |
| QuantumTonto | or jack itself | 16:13 |
| QuantumTonto | im saying this system is by default using the internal microphone | 16:13 |
| holstein | sure, friend | 16:13 |
| QuantumTonto | as opposed to the input jacks .. | 16:13 |
| QuantumTonto | and i do not know why | 16:13 |
| holstein | *you* are stating, kxstudio is not working, and, other distros have | 16:13 |
| holstein | so, im just stating differences, since, i find that constructive | 16:14 |
| holstein | if you dont, thats fine | 16:14 |
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| holstein | what i do is, stop jack, and test the hardware components independent of jack.. | 16:14 |
| QuantumTonto | what if i say i know theyre working ? | 16:14 |
| holstein | if i say "wow, i do not know why that is happening.." i try and reduce the variables and test | 16:14 |
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| holstein | jack is not needed for me to test hardware with alsa.. its actually just complicating that.. so, its a variable i remove | 16:15 |
| JackWinter | QuantumTonto: i missed the beginning, what is the problem? | 16:16 |
| QuantumTonto | i am running linux lite on a dual boot with kxstudio .. i can boot linuxlite, start jack, use hardware lines in, no problem .. boot kxstudio and no more lines in ... | 16:17 |
| holstein | 10:53 < QuantumTonto> can't really figure out why only laptop microphone is all thats available .. this machine has 2 input microphone/input jacks .. any ideas ? | 16:17 |
| QuantumTonto | oh hi jack sorry did see that | 16:17 |
| holstein | 10:53 < QuantumTonto> can't really figure out why only laptop microphone is all thats available .. this machine has 2 input microphone/input jacks .. any ideas ? | 16:17 |
| QuantumTonto | lol thanks holstein | 16:17 |
| QuantumTonto | =) | 16:17 |
| holstein | sorry for the double paste | 16:17 |
| JackWinter | QuantumTonto: do you run jack on the right soundcard? you might have 2, one the onboard and the other the webcam | 16:18 |
| holstein | JackWinter: there is no webcam | 16:18 |
| holstein | no seperate webcam | 16:18 |
| holstein | thats an integrated laptop webcam.. the mic is part of the internal audio device | 16:18 |
| QuantumTonto | what i have is either intel analog or intel digital .. normally i just use analog and have no issues ... | 16:19 |
| JackWinter | i was guessing that the laptop micin might be from a builtin webcam, just a stab in the dark | 16:19 |
| holstein | QuantumTonto: so, you are using jack on a different device? | 16:19 |
| JackWinter | so run jack on the intel analog device? | 16:19 |
| QuantumTonto | yes | 16:19 |
| QuantumTonto | holstein no | 16:19 |
| QuantumTonto | jack yes | 16:19 |
| holstein | what i would do is, start what distro *is* working, and make a note of the kernel version and alsa versions..and check the jack config, and try replicating that *exactly* in kx | 16:19 |
| JackWinter | QuantumTonto: what does "cat /proc/asound/cards" say? | 16:20 |
| QuantumTonto | good idea holstein .. sec for "cat" | 16:20 |
| QuantumTonto | 0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel | 16:21 |
| QuantumTonto | HDA Intel at 0xf5500000 irq 47 | 16:21 |
| QuantumTonto | 1 [Loopback ]: Loopback - Loopback | 16:21 |
| QuantumTonto | Loopback 1 | 16:21 |
| JackWinter | QuantumTonto: then i have no idea :) sorry for the waste of bandwidth | 16:22 |
| QuantumTonto | lols no problem ... i'll just keep beating my head on it >.< | 16:22 |
| QuantumTonto | ty guys | 16:22 |
| JackWinter | QuantumTonto: what does "/proc/asound/card0" give you? | 16:24 |
| JackWinter | sorry, "ls /proc/asound/card0" | 16:25 |
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| QuantumTonto | sec was afk .. | 16:33 |
| QuantumTonto | JackWinter codec#0 codec#1 id pcm0c pcm0p pcm1p pcm2c | 16:34 |
| QuantumTonto | is this looking like i'm going to have to write an .asoundrc file ? | 16:35 |
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| QuantumTonto | holstein p.s. the usb audio device i have has insufficient monitor volume .. which is why i've gone analog ;) | 16:37 |
| JackWinter | QuantumTonto: looks like you have several playback and capture devices, maybe you are running jack on a subdevice | 16:48 |
| JackWinter | what device do you have configured for use with jack? | 16:48 |
| QuantumTonto | i just copied .asoundrc and .jackdrc from working system .. going to try that .. | 16:49 |
| JackWinter | just guessing though | 16:49 |
| QuantumTonto | just the intel analog is what its currently using .. | 16:49 |
| JackWinter | can you paste the .jackdrc (not that i think that kxstudio uses it as it uses jack2 by default) | 16:50 |
| JackWinter | and i don't think your .asoundrc can have anything at all to do with it | 16:50 |
| QuantumTonto | which one would you like to see .. the kxstudio one or the one im using on the other system ? | 16:50 |
| JackWinter | i guess the kxstudio one | 16:50 |
| QuantumTonto | idk if any of this will do anything .. im just trying =D | 16:50 |
| JackWinter | beh, or both ;) | 16:50 |
| JackWinter | don't have jack-dbus running and don't remember the commands to see what it uses. and i don't use kxstudio at all, but am a long time jack user | 16:51 |
| QuantumTonto | that was the working one on the other system | 16:52 |
| QuantumTonto | oh um didnt paste .. | 16:52 |
| QuantumTonto | hmm | 16:52 |
| QuantumTonto | -dalsa -dhw:0 -r48000 -p512 -n3 | 16:52 |
| JackWinter | yeah, that looks reasonable and the right device | 16:53 |
| QuantumTonto | maybe i should restart the machine now that ive transferred that file .. | 16:54 |
| JackWinter | can you look in the configure screen of cadence what is being used right now? | 16:54 |
| QuantumTonto | i'll update findings later | 16:54 |
| QuantumTonto | oh yeah | 16:54 |
| QuantumTonto | sec | 16:54 |
| QuantumTonto | hw:Intel,0 [ALC1200 Analog] | 16:55 |
| JackWinter | and i guess using .asoundrc from another system might break the audio bridges in kxstudio | 16:56 |
| JackWinter | try to change that to hw:0 | 16:56 |
| QuantumTonto | well i renamed the original files .. we will see .. | 16:56 |
| QuantumTonto | so far same results | 16:57 |
| QuantumTonto | i will reboot and see what breaks =) | 16:58 |
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| JackWinter | alot? ;) | 17:02 |
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| QuantumTonto | well apparently the KX install screwed something up with my dual boot .. looks like i'll be looking into that pefore proceeding with sorting the sound issues hehee | 17:08 |
| QuantumTonto | have some other things to do now though .. be back to bug y'all later .. ty for helps | 17:10 |
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| QuantumTonto | so i had an epiphany: when plugging in a hardware device the computer auto-detects it and automagically switched to that input instead of using the onboard mic, this however is NOT happening in KXStudio .. | 17:38 |
| QuantumTonto | in KX its not being detected and auto-switching to the new input ... | 17:38 |
| QuantumTonto | p.s. solved the boot issue ;) | 17:39 |
| QuantumTonto | so idk if the auto-input detect is somehow disabled in KX ? and its only seeing the onboard mic .. idk ... | 17:40 |
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| JackWinter | did you try hw0,0 and hw0,1 ? | 17:54 |
| JackWinter | QuantumTonto: ^ | 17:55 |
| QuantumTonto | JackWinter .. i just tried hw0 .. not 0,0 or 0,1 .. i'll give it a go | 17:57 |
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| holstein | too bad that was such a drastic mis-understanding of digital vs analog | 19:12 |
| holstein | the internal audio device is converting analog to digital *just* like the external usb device is.. | 19:13 |
| holstein | oh well | 19:13 |
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| JackWinter | holstein: did i miss something? but i was also thinking something similar | 21:27 |
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