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| unicornjedi | hi | 03:50 |
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| louigi | Hey everyone! | 09:19 |
| louigi | Good morning! | 09:19 |
| falktx | hi! | 09:19 |
| louigi | Nice weather in the city of Berlin | 09:21 |
| falktx | yes | 09:21 |
| falktx | hope it continues | 09:22 |
| * falktx needs to send the screen monitor back, damn dead pixel | 09:22 | |
| falktx | louigi: how's it going so far in berlin? | 09:24 |
| louigi | falktx: very nice! I am happy here | 09:25 |
| falktx | which area are you living in again? | 09:25 |
| louigi | Prenzlauer | 09:25 |
| louigi | Berg | 09:25 |
| falktx | hmm | 09:25 |
| louigi | Well, right now I am at work in Mitte | 09:25 |
| falktx | I'm between potzdammer platz and gleisdreck | 09:26 |
| falktx | there's a U12 station very nearby | 09:26 |
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| louigi | falktx: we should meet up | 10:01 |
| falktx | louigi: yes, definetely | 10:02 |
| falktx | I'm doing jello and a cake this weekend | 10:02 |
| falktx | or at least I'll try to | 10:02 |
| falktx | louigi: I have a ps4 at home :) | 10:02 |
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| falktx | louigi: want an adress? | 10:05 |
| falktx | not sure if I should post this on irc, but oh well | 10:07 |
| falktx | https://www.google.de/maps/place/Kluckstra%C3%9Fe+34,+10785+Berlin/@52.5025,13.3585513,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x47a8504b72fc2359:0x9aa12c052927e800 | 10:07 |
| LAbot | Title: Google Maps (at www.google.de) | 10:07 |
| falktx | ph: 01573 4020937 | 10:11 |
| falktx | louigi: you're welcome to come saturday or sunday, or next week | 10:18 |
| JackWinter | falktx: you at work? have some time today to see if you also get a different round trip latency everytime you start jack on a usb device? | 10:45 |
| falktx | JackWinter: I can check yes | 10:45 |
| falktx | we're mounting a white board right now :) | 10:45 |
| JackWinter | better to play with computers than doing carpentry ;) | 10:46 |
| JackWinter | it's not everytime you connect, but each time you start the server. seems to be about 5-6 different values that crop up. | 10:47 |
| louigi | falktx: Are you even in city center? Or you are not moving around the city? =) | 10:47 |
| JackWinter | still wondering wtf it does that, i suppose something to do with the usb stack | 10:47 |
| falktx | louigi: center, working | 10:48 |
| falktx | not moving, I'll be in that apartment until march | 10:48 |
| falktx | JackWinter: can you ping me in 2 hours please? I have to shutdown the pc because dust.. | 10:49 |
| falktx | bbl | 10:49 |
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| JackWinter | i'll try to remember, otherwise some other day | 10:49 |
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| JackWinter | falktx: time to test? | 12:51 |
| falktx | yes | 12:51 |
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| falktx | JackWinter: ok, now I can. what kind of test are you looking at again? | 13:23 |
| falktx | JackWinter: jack_iodelay? | 13:26 |
| falktx | what settings? | 13:26 |
| JackWinter | falktx: well , what happens is that each time i start a jack server (with an usb soundcard), the latency shown by jack_iodelay will be different... | 13:30 |
| JackWinter | doesn't have anything to do with connecting clients. | 13:30 |
| JackWinter | it happens on all buffersizes | 13:31 |
| JackWinter | so start jack, run jack_iodelay, restart the jack server, run jack_iodelay again, and you will most likely get a different value. doesn't happen with my rme, but does happen with several computers on several different usb devices... | 13:32 |
| JackWinter | seems to be a couple of different latencies that it gives, not all different. | 13:34 |
| JackWinter | but seems to vary by a millisecond or so, which is kind of annoying, but i guess not a deal breaker, but i'd like to find out what is doing it and report a bug, as imo latency ought to be predictable | 13:35 |
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| lasconic | Hi there | 13:56 |
| lasconic | what's the easiest way to install kxstudio on a usb stick | 13:57 |
| lasconic | ? | 13:57 |
| lasconic | I read about pendrivelinux, is that recommended? | 13:57 |
| falktx | easiest way is just dd it | 14:00 |
| falktx | download the iso, and run | 14:00 |
| falktx | sudo dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/sdX | 14:00 |
| falktx | nothing else needed | 14:00 |
| falktx | use stuff like /dev/sdc, not /dev/sdc1 | 14:01 |
| autostatic | JackWinter: this has been discussed on a LAU mailinglist a while ago | 14:09 |
| autostatic | Or LAD | 14:09 |
| JackWinter | autostatic: i brought the topic up, but never got an answer or a confirmation that the problem exists. unless it's been raised by someone else and i missed it. am subscribed but don't read the lists regularly | 14:12 |
| JackWinter | would be nice to at least have a confirmation from someone else preferably with another distro too | 14:13 |
| olinuxx | JackWinter, I think autostatic is refering to this one : http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-dev/2015-September/036074.html | 14:15 |
| LAbot | Title: [LAD] JACK latency compensation on USB audio devices (at lists.linuxaudio.org) | 14:15 |
| olinuxx | and/or : this one : http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-dev/2015-August/036032.html | 14:16 |
| LAbot | Title: [LAD] Strange Jack1 problem (at lists.linuxaudio.org) | 14:16 |
| autostatic | That's the one! Thanks olinuxx, of course I couldn't find it myself :( | 14:16 |
| JackWinter | well the first one is from me, and the second one is an unrelated problem (i think) | 14:18 |
| olinuxx | so you already all at the state of the art of it | 14:18 |
| JackWinter | that the 2:nd one exists is kind of mind boggling though | 14:18 |
| autostatic | You mean the extra buffering? | 14:19 |
| autostatic | And sorry, I didn't make the link between you and the OP of that thread | 14:19 |
| JackWinter | i mean that latency changes as clients connect and disconnect | 14:19 |
| JackWinter | no, since i use different handles on irc and email, that's natural. how could you know that we are the same person | 14:20 |
| JackWinter | getting high time to pester paul and fons about that 2:nd bug ;) | 14:21 |
| autostatic | He he | 14:21 |
| JackWinter | in fact i'd be delighted if all of you could duplicate the topic of my conversation ;) but i guess it's enough for me if falktx can duplicate it | 14:22 |
| JackWinter | gotta run for work now, bbl | 14:22 |
| autostatic | Bye! | 14:22 |
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| falktx | someone was very generous today | 17:40 |
| falktx | shit, almost forgot about the tests | 17:40 |
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| falktx | JackWinter: using uca202 | 18:00 |
| falktx | 1st run I get: | 18:00 |
| falktx | 4064.194 frames 84.671 ms total roundtrip latency | 18:00 |
| falktx | extra loopback latency: 992 frames | 18:00 |
| falktx | use 496 for the backend arguments -I and -O | 18:00 |
| falktx | those values are consistent | 18:00 |
| falktx | 2nd run: | 18:00 |
| falktx | 4016.105 frames 83.669 ms total roundtrip latency | 18:00 |
| falktx | extra loopback latency: 944 frames | 18:00 |
| falktx | use 472 for the backend arguments -I and -O | 18:00 |
| falktx | 3d run: | 18:01 |
| falktx | 4016.051 frames 83.668 ms total roundtrip latency | 18:01 |
| falktx | extra loopback latency: 944 frames | 18:01 |
| falktx | use 472 for the backend arguments -I and -O | 18:01 |
| falktx | 4th run: | 18:02 |
| falktx | 4064.032 frames 84.667 ms total roundtrip latency | 18:02 |
| falktx | extra loopback latency: 992 frames | 18:02 |
| falktx | use 496 for the backend arguments -I and -O | 18:02 |
| falktx | JackWinter: seems like with the uca202 the values are not consistent across jack restarts | 18:02 |
| JackWinter | falktx: thanks, then i guess it's confirmed :S | 18:03 |
| falktx | let me try a mackie | 18:03 |
| JackWinter | i guess it's gonna be the usb stack and not jack... | 18:04 |
| JackWinter | or the device.. | 18:04 |
| falktx | 1st run | 18:06 |
| falktx | 3775.030 frames 78.646 ms total roundtrip latency | 18:06 |
| falktx | extra loopback latency: 703 frames | 18:06 |
| falktx | use 351 for the backend arguments -I and -O | 18:06 |
| falktx | 2nd run | 18:06 |
| falktx | 4063.030 frames 84.646 ms total roundtrip latency | 18:06 |
| falktx | extra loopback latency: 991 frames | 18:06 |
| falktx | use 495 for the backend arguments -I and -O | 18:06 |
| falktx | 3rd run | 18:07 |
| falktx | 3775.030 frames 78.646 ms total roundtrip latency | 18:07 |
| falktx | extra loopback latency: 703 frames | 18:07 |
| falktx | use 351 for the backend arguments -I and -O | 18:07 |
| falktx | 4th run, exactly the same as 3rd | 18:07 |
| falktx | *exact* values | 18:07 |
| falktx | 5th run | 18:08 |
| falktx | 3823.030 frames 79.646 ms total roundtrip latency | 18:08 |
| falktx | extra loopback latency: 751 frames | 18:08 |
| falktx | use 375 for the backend arguments -I and -O | 18:08 |
| falktx | JackWinter: myth confirmed | 18:10 |
| falktx | now, time to go home | 18:11 |
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| falktx | :D | 20:48 |
| unicornjedi | hi again? | 20:57 |
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| falktx | hi.. | 21:00 |
| unicornjedi | falktx, hey so I read the whole manual on kxstudio but still am unsure on some things | 21:00 |
| falktx | this might help http://libremusicproduction.com/articles/demystifying-jack-%E2%80%93-beginners-guide-getting-started-jack | 21:01 |
| LAbot | Title: Demystifying JACK – A Beginners Guide to Getting Started with JACK | Libre Music Production (at libremusicproduction.com) | 21:01 |
| unicornjedi | falktx, im pretty comfortable with JACK, i'll give this a quick read anyways | 21:02 |
| falktx | that site has some great tutorials | 21:02 |
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| unicornjedi | falktx, wow thanks! | 21:04 |
| unicornjedi | falktx, so right now i'm kinda confused what applications i should use in my LADISH virtual studio | 21:05 |
| unicornjedi | For example, I really like LMMS but I find that I like ardour for it's automation and audio editing | 21:07 |
| falktx | if you're just starting I kinda have to recommend to NOT use ladish | 21:07 |
| unicornjedi | so I want them to work together but i read that LMMS won't sync with JACK transport | 21:07 |
| falktx | right | 21:08 |
| unicornjedi | When I said LADISH i meant claudia | 21:09 |
| falktx | it's the same | 21:09 |
| unicornjedi | oh | 21:09 |
| unicornjedi | what would you recommend I use? | 21:09 |
| falktx | plugins, or nsm | 21:12 |
| falktx | with a daw and plugins there's no need for session management | 21:12 |
| unicornjedi | falktx, whats nsm? | 21:14 |
| falktx | non session management | 21:14 |
| falktx | but first try a full daw and plugins | 21:15 |
| falktx | for lmms you can use carla to get access to all the linux plugins | 21:15 |
| unicornjedi | falktx, so when should I use session management? | 21:16 |
| Yruama_Lairba | hello, i'intersted by the current discussion | 21:17 |
| falktx | session management is only needed when you need to sync projects for different applications | 21:18 |
| falktx | like say blender + ardour | 21:18 |
| falktx | if you want stuff like synths or fx, the best option is plugins really | 21:19 |
| unicornjedi | i see i see | 21:19 |
| unicornjedi | so I should use catia in the meantime? | 21:19 |
| falktx | catia? | 21:19 |
| unicornjedi | uhhh | 21:19 |
| unicornjedi | was it carla? | 21:20 |
| unicornjedi | idk | 21:20 |
| falktx | if you install carla-git it will appear as a plugin in lmms | 21:20 |
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| falktx | and carla as plugin can load the native linux plugins (dssi, lv2 and vst) | 21:20 |
| falktx | you can also use a daw that already supports plugins directly | 21:21 |
| falktx | like ardour, muse and qtractor | 21:21 |
| falktx | there are some commercial options too, like bitwig, tracktion and renoise | 21:21 |
| Yruama_Lairba | in think lmms support vst natively | 21:21 |
| falktx | lmms supports 32bit windows vsts, not linux ones | 21:22 |
| falktx | which btw is broken for ubuntu >= 15.04 :( | 21:22 |
| Yruama_Lairba | ah ok, i didn't because i never used lmms on linux | 21:22 |
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| Yruama_Lairba | *i didn't know | 21:22 |
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| unicornjedi | falktx, thanks for your help m8 | 21:23 |
| falktx | np | 21:23 |
| unicornjedi | falktx, do you know any other good guides or tutorials to read up on? Youtube tutorials sux | 21:24 |
| falktx | everything in http://libremusicproduction.com/tutorials?&page=1 is good | 21:24 |
| LAbot | Title: Tutorials | Libre Music Production (at libremusicproduction.com) | 21:24 |
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| JackWinter | falktx: thanks for the help. kinda sucky result | 22:36 |
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