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| unicornjedi | hello folks | 04:31 |
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| holstein | o/ | 04:32 |
| unicornjedi | oi oi | 04:32 |
| unicornjedi | holstein do you have time to help a newbie like me? | 04:33 |
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| holstein | unicornjedi: we'll see.. just ask, and if a volunteer can assist, im sure they will be happy to | 04:33 |
| unicornjedi | okay, I want to produce some hip-hop beats. What applications do I need to have in my virtual studio? | 04:34 |
| unicornjedi | i like lmms but it doesn't work with jack transport >:( | 04:34 |
| holstein | kxstudio ships with most of the normal tools.. typical to the linux pro audio work flow | 04:34 |
| holstein | why do you need jack transport? | 04:34 |
| unicornjedi | well I want to use hydrogen for the drum beats and it works well with my pads on my m-audio oxygen25 piano | 04:35 |
| unicornjedi | I like ardour for mixing and arranging tracks | 04:35 |
| holstein | sure.. you can always export, and use ardour, as you are saying | 04:35 |
| holstein | rather than jack transport | 04:35 |
| holstein | though lmms should "just work".. i dont use it, so i cant say | 04:35 |
| unicornjedi | but it will impede with my work flow | 04:35 |
| holstein | unicornjedi: sure, friend.. so, ask the maintainers why its not working as you want | 04:36 |
| holstein | folks also use it (it = lmms) in #opensourcemusicians | 04:36 |
| unicornjedi | we're off topic though | 04:36 |
| holstein | it should "just work" with jack.. though, back when i tested it, i found it problematic | 04:36 |
| holstein | unicornjedi: ? | 04:36 |
| unicornjedi | i was wondering what applications should i have in my virtual studio | 04:37 |
| holstein | unicornjedi: kxstudio ships with the main audio tools that are available to linux | 04:37 |
| unicornjedi | ... | 04:37 |
| holstein | unicornjedi: there are no "shoulds" really.. just tools that you may find do what you need | 04:37 |
| unicornjedi | I'm talking about claudia | 04:37 |
| holstein | sure.. im not specifically referring to claudia either.. though, it is handy | 04:38 |
| holstein | hydrogen and lmms would have been on my list of suggestions.. | 04:38 |
| unicornjedi | well I like the tools kxstudio comes with | 04:38 |
| unicornjedi | but I don't want clutter in my virtual studio room in cladui | 04:38 |
| holstein | kxstudio has what main linux has available to it | 04:38 |
| holstein | unicornjedi: its not like windows, where, you get "clutter" from installed applications | 04:39 |
| unicornjedi | ahhhhhhhhhhh | 04:39 |
| unicornjedi | you are misunderstanding me man | 04:39 |
| holstein | one can always build something up more minimally if one wants | 04:39 |
| holstein | .g ubuntu mini iso | 04:39 |
| thelonius | holstein: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD | 04:39 |
| LAbot | Title: Installation/MinimalCD - Community Help Wiki (at help.ubuntu.com) | 04:39 |
| unicornjedi | :| | 04:39 |
| holstein | one could get a smaller ubuntu mini iso, and just install *only* the parts one wants.. so as not to have clutter | 04:39 |
| unicornjedi | nooooooooooooo thats no what im talking about | 04:39 |
| holstein | unicornjedi: just type, friend.. and explain. no need for faces, and "no"'s | 04:40 |
| holstein | i assure you, im trying to assist, and not interested in wasting either of our time.. what are you talking about, friend? | 04:40 |
| unicornjedi | ill be more specific. i'm looking for the applications already installed on kxstudio OS that will work well together. Also I want to have good work flow when making a beat with those programs in a claudia virtual studio room. | 04:42 |
| holstein | unicornjedi: they are all working as well as they are intended to work together, "out of the box" | 04:42 |
| holstein | "looking for applications already installed on kxstudio OS that work well together".. the answer should be literally all of them | 04:43 |
| unicornjedi | cool | 04:43 |
| holstein | the work flow you come up with will really be more catered to what *your* specific setup will be | 04:43 |
| holstein | there is no one way to make "hip hop beats" in linux | 04:43 |
| holstein | hydrogen is really just a sequencer | 04:44 |
| holstein | hip-hop, as you know, is a style, so, you will have sounds, samples, or synths that you trigger.. you can trigger these with *any* sequencer in linux | 04:44 |
| holstein | you can "make a beat" with many of the tools | 04:44 |
| unicornjedi | i have other questions too | 04:45 |
| holstein | unicornjedi: just ask, friend.. | 04:45 |
| unicornjedi | how do you assign an instrument in hydrogen to a specific midi trigger. | 04:45 |
| holstein | unicornjedi: i use jack to route whatever i want | 04:46 |
| unicornjedi | i looked at the manual and I couldnt find the answer :( | 04:46 |
| holstein | unicornjedi: i might, for example, just connect the midi connections out of hydrogen to the ins of whatever sounds etc | 04:46 |
| holstein | unicornjedi: sure.. there really is no "linux" or "hydrogen" company making sure you know how to use it | 04:47 |
| holstein | unicornjedi: but, its like *any* midi gear, really.. you'll just have a virtual connection, in jack, between hydrogen and whatever sound module you want to be using | 04:47 |
| holstein | or, use anothher sequencer | 04:47 |
| unicornjedi | i know how to do that. I mean When I hit 'Pad 1' on my keyboard I want it to play a certain instrument | 04:48 |
| holstein | i suggest.. dont just sit down, and try and make hip-hop beats.. or, get some work done.. i would spend a little time just getting to know the routing.. | 04:48 |
| unicornjedi | For example, have you used lmms? | 04:48 |
| holstein | unicornjedi: sure. and, i would just route "pad 1" in jack.. no need to use hydrogen.. though, you can | 04:48 |
| holstein | unicornjedi: as i said before, i have used lmms years back.. yes.. but, i dont use it now | 04:48 |
| unicornjedi | wait.... jack routes midi triggers? I thought it routes midi devices | 04:49 |
| unicornjedi | imma turn on my kxstudio laptop test this myself. exciting! | 04:49 |
| holstein | for example. i got a korg nanopad the other day.. i plug it in, via USB.. start jack, and route the nanopad to yoshimi.. and triggered whatever sounds i wanted from there | 04:49 |
| holstein | unicornjedi: jack routes most *any* software and hardware.. linux and jack friendly hardware and software | 04:50 |
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| holstein | there is no company making sure you have a fancy manual. but, there is also just the one spec that most folks support.. so, for the most part, *everything* in linux is easily route-able like that | 04:51 |
| unicornjedi | turning onm laptop | 04:51 |
| unicornjedi | holstein, its on | 04:52 |
| holstein | unicornjedi: whats on? | 04:52 |
| unicornjedi | my laptop. Im gonna check if jack can acutally route midi triggers\ | 04:53 |
| unicornjedi | I thought it just connects the devices | 04:53 |
| holstein | unicornjedi: well, you dont have to "check".. you can just learn to route them | 04:53 |
| holstein | *i* get jack running, and route my midi devices to whatever software synths, or hydrogen.. or whatever else i need to trigger.. sooperlooper.. controls.. etc | 04:54 |
| unicornjedi | okay I see oxygen 25 output in catia | 04:54 |
| unicornjedi | now what | 04:55 |
| holstein | unicornjedi: i dont use catia.. but, the connection will be made by connecting the output of the device you want to the input of the software you want to control | 04:55 |
| holstein | .g catia kxstudio connections | 04:55 |
| thelonius | holstein: http://kxstudio.linuxaudio.org/Documentation:Manual:simple_claudia_studio | 04:55 |
| LAbot | Title: KXStudio (at kxstudio.linuxaudio.org) | 04:55 |
| unicornjedi | i know how to connect the device but what about the triggers to specific instuments? | 04:56 |
| holstein | unicornjedi: you can map that via midi, on either side | 04:56 |
| unicornjedi | like C4 to instument 'snare' | 04:56 |
| holstein | unicornjedi: correct.. you can address that many ways | 04:56 |
| unicornjedi | ill take a peek at that document you sent me. one sec | 04:57 |
| holstein | make the connection, see that its connected.. then, you can choose to remap, or just use it as is.. whatever you like | 04:57 |
| unicornjedi | .. | 04:57 |
| unicornjedi | i already read this manual before in its entirety | 04:58 |
| holstein | cool | 04:58 |
| unicornjedi | its connecting the device | 04:58 |
| holstein | just ask, if you have any specific questions | 04:58 |
| unicornjedi | not specific midi triggers like the key 'C4' | 04:58 |
| holstein | you *connect* the device to the software you want to control | 04:58 |
| holstein | *then*, you can choose to remap, or whatever you like | 04:58 |
| unicornjedi | okay how do i do that? | 04:58 |
| holstein | unicornjedi: in what? | 04:58 |
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| holstein | you are connecting some device to some software.. some external usb trigger pad to lmms? | 04:59 |
| unicornjedi | okay I connected the midi device to an instrument called 'SBASS' in LMMS | 04:59 |
| holstein | and? | 04:59 |
| holstein | you want "c4" to play some other note besides "c4" in lmms? correct? | 04:59 |
| holstein | you can transpose around.. or remap.. | 04:59 |
| unicornjedi | now the instrument will play with all the piano keys. (ex. C4,D4,E4,F4) | 04:59 |
| unicornjedi | i want the instrument to only activate on the key C4 | 05:00 |
| unicornjedi | btw the answer to your question: yes | 05:01 |
| holstein | unicornjedi: sure, and i can think of several ways i may attack that issue.. all of which, may have side effects based on what else you are trying to do | 05:01 |
| holstein | what are you trying to do? | 05:01 |
| holstein | in the big picture.. | 05:01 |
| unicornjedi | okay heres my main issue which can be solved if what you are telling me is correct | 05:02 |
| unicornjedi | in hydrogen, theres a drumkit that will play a different sound depending on which pad i strike | 05:02 |
| holstein | correct | 05:02 |
| holstein | you can map those.. in hydrogen | 05:02 |
| holstein | think of it like midi gear.. stand alone midi gear | 05:04 |
| unicornjedi | the order of the drums in the drumkit don't play like this. PAD 1 = INSTRUMENT 1 PAD 2 = INSTUMENT 2 | 05:04 |
| holstein | if you plug a keyboard, via midi, into some other sound module.. you can map that | 05:04 |
| unicornjedi | the second instrument is connected to my 3rd pad for example | 05:04 |
| holstein | unicornjedi: sure.. you can remap those to be as you please | 05:04 |
| unicornjedi | okay let me open up hydrogen one sec | 05:04 |
| unicornjedi | i only see hydrogen MIDI-in as the only input | 05:06 |
| holstein | sure | 05:06 |
| holstein | and you should be connnected to that, from the device | 05:06 |
| holstein | the usb connected midi trigger.. you already have that connected, correct? | 05:06 |
| unicornjedi | already connected | 05:07 |
| holstein | anyways.. you are not changing the devices.. you just want to remap the sounds | 05:07 |
| unicornjedi | yes | 05:07 |
| unicornjedi | so I connected OXYGEN 25 to HYDROGEN MIDI-IN | 05:07 |
| holstein | you can also likely remap on the controller.. if you choose | 05:07 |
| holstein | but, you dont need to change the connections | 05:08 |
| unicornjedi | really? how do I do that | 05:08 |
| holstein | qmidiroute is also an option | 05:08 |
| unicornjedi | awesome let me open that\ | 05:08 |
| holstein | you can put it, via software, in jack, in between the 2 | 05:08 |
| unicornjedi | i never thought making music on the computer could be so technical lo; | 05:09 |
| unicornjedi | lol | 05:09 |
| holstein | sure.. but, there is no "linux" making sure its all "user friendly" | 05:09 |
| holstein | its just a bunch of developer tools made to solve issues.. using jack as the backend | 05:09 |
| unicornjedi | its not installed on my studio :( | 05:10 |
| holstein | no doubt, there can be polish.. and you may prefer something "all in one" like the commercial renoise, etc | 05:10 |
| holstein | unicornjedi: its? | 05:10 |
| unicornjedi | i cant find qmidiroute on the studio. Ill go ahead and install it | 05:10 |
| holstein | unicornjedi: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install qmidiroute | 05:11 |
| unicornjedi | oh i was gonna be a noob and use synaptic lol | 05:11 |
| holstein | its just one of many ways to address what you are talking about.. remapping the midi | 05:11 |
| holstein | unicornjedi: its not really "noob", though.. is it? its just a different tool. use what you like.. | 05:11 |
| unicornjedi | you're kkoool | 05:12 |
| unicornjedi | oh... its a command-line tool? | 05:12 |
| holstein | unicornjedi: i dont think it has a GUI | 05:13 |
| unicornjedi | oh mannnn | 05:13 |
| holstein | itll let you remap the controls.. but, there are many other ways | 05:13 |
| unicornjedi | im not too comfortable with the command-line unfortunately | 05:13 |
| holstein | unicornjedi: are you coming from windows? | 05:13 |
| unicornjedi | no i've been using ubuntu for 4 years | 05:14 |
| holstein | unicornjedi: that tool is from the ubuntu repos | 05:14 |
| holstein | anyways.. its just one way.. | 05:14 |
| unicornjedi | i feel your judgement | 05:14 |
| holstein | unicornjedi: i assure you, im not judging anything | 05:14 |
| holstein | what i was going to suggest is, to just take your time | 05:15 |
| holstein | get more comfortable with the software.. i assure you, i spend years learning.. and im still learning | 05:15 |
| holstein | i say, just use it "as-is", and take on the mapping when you get more comfortable | 05:15 |
| unicornjedi | okay :( | 05:16 |
| holstein | unicornjedi: this is what i found that looks exactly like what you are dealing with | 05:16 |
| holstein | http://linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=10099 | 05:16 |
| LAbot | Title: LinuxMusicians View topic - Midi Mapping in Hydrogen (at linuxmusicians.com) | 05:16 |
| holstein | unicornjedi: folks in #opensourcemusicians route midi, and remap often, so, may have more suggestions | 05:16 |
| holstein | unicornjedi: there are ways to deal with this in hardware without having to change the mapping in linux.. | 05:16 |
| unicornjedi | thx for finding this | 05:18 |
| unicornjedi | oh man | 05:20 |
| holstein | lol | 05:20 |
| holstein | yeah.. its technical | 05:20 |
| unicornjedi | too much stuff too learn. I thought I had a good grasp on this | 05:20 |
| holstein | im sure you can handle it, though | 05:20 |
| holstein | you can save these configs, and back them up.. etc | 05:20 |
| holstein | or, ask others how they deal with it.. | 05:20 |
| unicornjedi | ye ill be in this irc more. but usually no ones here | 05:21 |
| holstein | unicornjedi: sure. the other channel i mentioned a few times is more active | 05:21 |
| holstein | #opensourcemusicians | 05:21 |
| unicornjedi | thx m8 | 05:22 |
| unicornjedi | im gonna play around with the software some more | 05:23 |
| unicornjedi | ill hit you up soon if i have any more questions | 05:23 |
| holstein | sure.. cheers.. | 05:23 |
| unicornjedi | holstein, what sequencer do you use? | 05:27 |
| holstein | unicornjedi: i almost exclusively use ardour/mixbus.. i only test sequencers, etc.. | 05:29 |
| holstein | unicornjedi: qtractor is the popular one.. | 05:29 |
| holstein | and, it can be a DAW, as well.. | 05:30 |
| unicornjedi | i seee | 05:34 |
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| damo22 | falktx: is there any reason why zam-plugins wouldnt work as LV2 on OSX and Windows? | 10:23 |
| damo22 | i havent actually tried it | 10:24 |
| falktx | no, they should work if you have an lv2 host there | 10:25 |
| falktx | carla, ardour and mixbus work cross-platform on those | 10:25 |
| damo22 | cool! | 10:26 |
| damo22 | falktx: windows build is broken now: ../../dpf/distrho/src/DistrhoPluginJack.cpp:30:23: fatal error: jack/jack.h: No such file or directory | 10:31 |
| falktx | not broken, you just don't have a proper pkg-config tool for win32 | 10:32 |
| falktx | it's finding your linux one | 10:32 |
| falktx | I'd make an empty pkg-config script that allows "exit 1" | 10:33 |
| falktx | then make it part of $PATH for win32 builds, that way jack, liblo etc won't be found | 10:33 |
| falktx | errrm, I'd make an empty pkg-config script that has just "exit 1" | 10:34 |
| damo22 | #include "jack/jack.h" | 10:38 |
| damo22 | but there is no jack directory in distrho/src | 10:38 |
| falktx | ok let me explain again | 10:47 |
| falktx | you do not want the jack standalone if you build for osx or mac | 10:47 |
| falktx | *osx or windows | 10:47 |
| damo22 | oh shit i forgot make WIN32=true | 10:47 |
| falktx | dpf checks the jack libs using pkg-config | 10:47 |
| damo22 | :P | 10:47 |
| damo22 | its working now | 10:48 |
| falktx | it's not about win32, you can have jack standalones there | 10:48 |
| falktx | but pkg-config needs to return the correct values when cross-compiling | 10:48 |
| falktx | damo22: if you use 14.04 this will help https://launchpad.net/~kxstudio-debian/+archive/ubuntu/mingw | 10:48 |
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| LAbot | Title: MinGW : “KXStudio Debian” team (at launchpad.net) | 10:48 |
| damo22 | yep | 10:49 |
| damo22 | falktx: run-detectors: unable to find an interpreter for /home/damien/git/zam-plugins/dpf/utils/lv2_ttl_generator.exe | 10:55 |
| damo22 | i think its having trouble generating the ttls when i cross compile instead of native compile | 10:55 |
| falktx | yes, cause you need to run that binary | 10:57 |
| falktx | so you'll need wine | 10:57 |
| damo22 | how do i run it for all plugins | 10:57 |
| falktx | just running make should be enough, no? | 10:58 |
| falktx | do you have wine installed? | 10:58 |
| damo22 | yes | 10:59 |
| damo22 | but it doesnt seem to work | 10:59 |
| falktx | probably cause you can't run those binaries directly | 11:00 |
| falktx | I though debian set it up already | 11:00 |
| damo22 | GEN=wine $PWD/lv2_ttl_generator.exe ? | 11:01 |
| falktx | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=733556 | 11:01 |
| LAbot | Title: #733556 - binfmt-support got lost for PE32+ - Debian Bug report logs (at bugs.debian.org) | 11:01 |
| falktx | I guess you need wine-binfmt and update-binfmts --import wine | 11:02 |
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| falktx | damo22: I can build them at anytime for you though, it's no problem at all | 11:09 |
| damo22 | i did it | 11:09 |
| falktx | :) | 11:09 |
| damo22 | i want to make a small set of plugins that could be included into ardour as standard | 11:12 |
| damo22 | falktx: how do you run the lv2_ttl_generator for the OSX build? | 11:13 |
| falktx | I don't | 11:17 |
| falktx | only on real osx | 11:17 |
| falktx | I have it in a VM here | 11:17 |
| damo22 | doh | 11:18 |
| falktx | brb | 11:18 |
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| falktx | wow | 12:43 |
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| damo22 | ? | 12:51 |
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| falktx | I forgot to change the topic in a very very long time | 13:49 |
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