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| JackWinter | GngrDr3dm4n: there is a package around for running skype without pulseaudio, on archlinux it's called apulse (and for 32bit lib32-apulse) | 08:49 |
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| GngrDr3dm4n | trying to compile apulse not going so well | 17:15 |
| GngrDr3dm4n | anyone know of a .deb | 17:15 |
| falktx | apulse? | 17:16 |
| GngrDr3dm4n | https://github.com/i-rinat/apulse | 17:16 |
| GngrDr3dm4n | trying to get skype calling working on kxstudio past couple days | 17:17 |
| GngrDr3dm4n | io have app sounds but no call sounds | 17:17 |
| falktx | try a restart of pulseaudio or jack? | 17:17 |
| falktx | and then restart skype | 17:17 |
| GngrDr3dm4n | W: [pulseaudio] module-jack-sink.c: JACK error >JackClient::AcquireSelfRealTime error< | 17:18 |
| GngrDr3dm4n | W: [pulseaudio] module-jack-source.c: JACK error >Cannot use real-time scheduling (RR/3)(1: Operation not permitted)< | 17:18 |
| GngrDr3dm4n | i have yes | 17:18 |
| GngrDr3dm4n | again i rly dont know what im doing... | 17:18 |
| GngrDr3dm4n | new to audio recordingon linux | 17:19 |
| GngrDr3dm4n | i wish someone would make a good video tutor on linux audio with the history of the drivers | 17:22 |
| GngrDr3dm4n | coming from windows its rly the only thing i cant seem to grasp fully | 17:22 |
| GngrDr3dm4n | i did get my soundcard setup with bitwig so i can record but when it comes to this app is finicky im lost | 17:24 |
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| GngrDr3dm4n | JackWinter just trying to compile your apulse suggestion. is there a .deb im getting errors all over compiling and cant find one | 17:29 |
| GngrDr3dm4n | JackWinter: | 17:30 |
| JackWinter | GngrDr3dm4n: don't know, i run archlinux ;) | 17:35 |
| GngrDr3dm4n | ok thx | 17:36 |
| JackWinter | but i do use lib32-apulse on 2 systems to use skype with alsa, not connected to jack, but i tested that in the past too | 17:36 |
| GngrDr3dm4n | old skype was fine with alsa | 17:36 |
| GngrDr3dm4n | the newest has 1 option virtual device | 17:37 |
| GngrDr3dm4n | you cant even login with the old version now i guess | 17:37 |
| GngrDr3dm4n | have to use pulseaudio from what ive read now | 17:38 |
| GngrDr3dm4n | microshaft | 17:39 |
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| distrozapper | GngrDr3dm4n: Hi. I just tested skype 4.3.0.37 OK on kxstudio/ubuntu 14.04. How did you install kxstudio/what distro do you use? | 18:02 |
| distrozapper | GngrDr3dm4n: Was it by some recent kxstudio ISO? | 18:05 |
| distrozapper | GngrDr3dm4n: Sorry maybe I missed some discussion before. Just trying to sync to your skype problem.. | 18:11 |
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| holstein | GngrDr3dm4n: you really shouldnt have to do anything special to get skype working with kxstudio/jack | 18:25 |
| holstein | it'll just route over pulse, which, you shouldnt have to do anything special with.. i would expect skype support in linux to get worse, rather than better, and seek an alternative to it | 18:25 |
| GngrDr3dm4n | skype 4.3 | 18:26 |
| holstein | GngrDr3dm4n: sure.. *any* version of skype | 18:26 |
| holstein | they are not really interested in supporting linux, well, these days.. they = the creators of skype | 18:26 |
| GngrDr3dm4n | i got it from the site and had to enable multi arch | 18:27 |
| holstein | anyways, there is nothing about pulse that is breaking the support, so,i wouldnt expect to fix it with a custom compiled version of pulse | 18:27 |
| GngrDr3dm4n | update in the app says i have the newest | 18:27 |
| holstein | i would try *all* versions you can find.. | 18:27 |
| holstein | GngrDr3dm4n: sure, and the "newest" may not the be "best" for your needs | 18:27 |
| GngrDr3dm4n | as far as i know its the only one you can sighn into anymore | 18:28 |
| holstein | i would just try all of them.. and see which works best.. we (the linux community) are not allowed to konw what is in the software to help support it | 18:28 |
| GngrDr3dm4n | i am using kxstudio yes | 18:28 |
| holstein | but, i would try, in your specific case, just simplifying the troubleshooting.. try it *without* jack.. | 18:28 |
| holstein | pulse is able to support the stock skype | 18:29 |
| GngrDr3dm4n | i dont know how to make it not work with jack as this is all new | 18:29 |
| holstein | GngrDr3dm4n: "this is all new".. what does that mean? | 18:29 |
| GngrDr3dm4n | new to linix and kxstudio | 18:30 |
| holstein | microsoft doesnt let us support skype. we are not allowed, or encouraged to work with it.. nothing about linux or kxstudio or pulse is preventing it from working | 18:30 |
| distrozapper | GngrDr3dm4n: Your first encounter with a linux OK | 18:30 |
| holstein | GngrDr3dm4n: it works here, on my systems, with a little troubleshooting, though, i have decided to work around skype, personally, to make things easier on myself | 18:31 |
| GngrDr3dm4n | i used ubuntu a wile and played with jack then swiched to this | 18:31 |
| holstein | GngrDr3dm4n: sure.. but, dont "switch to this", meaning, kxstudio, to try and make skype work better.. its the same version all of linux gets.. and its not supported well by skype | 18:32 |
| GngrDr3dm4n | now i have so much installed default its a bit overwelming | 18:32 |
| holstein | GngrDr3dm4n: you can always simply troubleshoot skype with a live iso | 18:32 |
| holstein | you may not need jack, and the tools that kxstudio is providing for you.. | 18:33 |
| GngrDr3dm4n | skype is installed and working with app sound, its calling sound and mic | 18:34 |
| holstein | anyways.. im not trying to be abrasive.. just realistic.. i can understand you are having a challenging time running software that the skype team is choosing not to provide you good support for, in linux | 18:34 |
| holstein | GngrDr3dm4n: ah. cool.. enjoy the working/functional skype then.. cheers. | 18:35 |
| GngrDr3dm4n | as i record audio aswell with bitwig i think i need jack | 18:35 |
| holstein | GngrDr3dm4n: i use pulse to jack bridging to route pulse audio sources, such as skype, into a daw, such as bitwig | 18:36 |
| holstein | GngrDr3dm4n: though, *none* of this is "beginner" level work flow | 18:36 |
| GngrDr3dm4n | i seen no abrasiveness :) new to linux not irc or audio in general | 18:36 |
| holstein | you may have to, as you likely did in windows, take your time learning to implement the parts.. but, one of the jack connection managers will allow you to route *all* of pulse audio output sources to bitwig, for recording | 18:37 |
| holstein | what did i do? when i was learning, i would literally run multiple machines, and route the audio externally | 18:37 |
| holstein | when i had issues, with, for example, skype, i would run that on a native windows machine, and route externally, into linux, via a mixer,for recording. while i learned how to bring more of that work flow into the machine.. and why that was so difficult | 18:38 |
| GngrDr3dm4n | im sure its a jack cofig deal i havent found yet now | 18:38 |
| holstein | GngrDr3dm4n: im not | 18:38 |
| holstein | GngrDr3dm4n: you'll just need to break these out. see that skype work, via pulse.. then *close* all of that. test that you can get jack running.. *then*, when those 2 things are happening, you route pulse to jack.. | 18:39 |
| holstein | if they are not, then, the ultimate final step will not work.. | 18:39 |
| GngrDr3dm4n | W: [pulseaudio] module-jack-source.c: JACK error >Cannot use real-time scheduling (RR/3)(1: Operation not permitted)< | 18:40 |
| holstein | test pulse/skype.. *close*.. test jack, with say, a simple audio file playing in audacious using the jack driver.. see that you can route audio.. then, when jack is working, you can route what you like | 18:40 |
| holstein | GngrDr3dm4n: sure. but, *does* jack work? | 18:40 |
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| holstein | test jack.. *then* the pulse briding.. if jack is not working. routing pulse to it wont work.. | 18:41 |
| GngrDr3dm4n | ok i see | 18:41 |
| GngrDr3dm4n | i assumed jack was setup and running from setting up bitwig | 18:41 |
| holstein | GngrDr3dm4n: sure.. just test that it is.. see that you can route in and out of jack, and your audio devices you want to use | 18:42 |
| * distrozapper bails out (no bitwig experience) | 18:42 | |
| GngrDr3dm4n | its confusing as i have audio with other apps fine and skype its just placing a call | 18:43 |
| GngrDr3dm4n | im all goods on the bitwig | 18:43 |
| holstein | GngrDr3dm4n: *other* apps support linux, and jack.. so, you cant easiily compare them, as, skype does not | 18:44 |
| GngrDr3dm4n | its the fact there are multi drivers in linux and i just dont know there history yet | 18:44 |
| holstein | GngrDr3dm4n: sure. again. this is *not* trivial. pulling up skype, which is not officially supporting linux well,and trying to utilize jack, which is not for casual linux desktop audio.. | 18:45 |
| holstein | GngrDr3dm4n: but, remove it from the equation.. try jack apps.. as you say you have. then, try something using pulse,such as, audacious, set to use pulse, and seee if you can route it | 18:46 |
| GngrDr3dm4n | yeah im deep in the muck alone forsure lol im used to it since i started audio recording | 18:46 |
| holstein | GngrDr3dm4n: if you cant route a native application, such as audacious, set to use the pulse system, in jack. then, you will not get skype working | 18:46 |
| holstein | GngrDr3dm4n: also, i dont know what you have changed.. such as, compling versions of pulse | 18:46 |
| holstein | GngrDr3dm4n: it "just works" here..i have never compiled pulse | 18:47 |
| GngrDr3dm4n | yeah prolly a dogs breakfast apt-get pulseaudio | 18:47 |
| holstein | https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=116243 | 18:48 |
| LAbot | Title: JACK, PulseAudio, RealTime / Multimedia and Games / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org) | 18:48 |
| holstein | i would test *not* skype.. make sure all the parts are working.. | 18:48 |
| GngrDr3dm4n | i realise this is the whats wrong and the i have no idea what u did delema | 18:48 |
| GngrDr3dm4n | great thx | 18:49 |
| holstein | if you dont get that message with native linux apps, then, then, you can consider a more native linux tool for what you are doing | 18:50 |
| holstein | they are all free, and open.. the alternatives.. so, try one of them, for your application | 18:50 |
| holstein | you can easily install it on both ends, and not have to worry with skype | 18:51 |
| spectromas | I would be really amazed if apulse isn't available as a package in every distro by now | 18:51 |
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| GngrDr3dm4n | i would love to be using native video calling but my other half is on windows :( and no changing that | 18:54 |
| spectromas | firefox can do it, as can gmail/google/hangouts as far as I know | 18:54 |
| spectromas | and tox but don't know how far on that project is any more | 18:55 |
| GngrDr3dm4n | i was just looking at tox | 18:55 |
| GngrDr3dm4n | didnt rly understand it , looked like u had to make you own app | 18:56 |
| GngrDr3dm4n | tokbox rather | 18:56 |
| spectromas | no, just install one of the clients, like qtox or whatever is the most actively developed these days | 18:58 |
| GngrDr3dm4n | so just find a linux and win client | 19:00 |
| GngrDr3dm4n | this seems like a much better option then skype | 19:01 |
| spectromas | yeah as far as I remember that's all you have to do. It's been a while since I looked at it though so I don't know how well video messaging works | 19:03 |
| JackWinter | i'm wondering why he gets this warning: W: [pulseaudio] module-jack-source.c: JACK error >Cannot use real-time scheduling (RR/3)(1: Operation not permitted) | 19:05 |
| spectromas | not in the audio group? | 19:05 |
| JackWinter | but don't know if that stops the audio completely or just might cause xruns. stay away from PA and jack-dbus myself ;) | 19:06 |
| * distrozapper also suspects audio group | 19:06 | |
| JackWinter | but doesn't jack refuse to start then due to not being able to use rt threads and memlock? | 19:07 |
| spectromas | I think he said he had some issues the other day with permissions (starting things as root) so I wonder if some config has root permissions? | 19:09 |
| JackWinter | personally i think that all this user daemon stuff is a bit crazy, i can see the reasons, but how many of us have more than one user simultaneously logged into our workstations... | 19:11 |
| JackWinter | and pa/rtkit being so paranoid about realtime threads is also a bit loony | 19:12 |
| GngrDr3dm4n | im the only user... | 19:12 |
| JackWinter | yeah, imo this has been made to difficult to use. it's not hard to configure but it gets so many noobs to jack | 19:13 |
| JackWinter | and in many way pa just made it even more difficult for users. but afaik this all just ought to work on kxstudio... | 19:14 |
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| JackWinter | GngrDr3dm4n: so what is the exact problem with skype? you have audio from bitwig and from your browser via pulseaudio/jack? | 19:41 |
| GngrDr3dm4n | i have audio for all my apps and skype sounds but if i make a call no audio or mic | 19:44 |
| GngrDr3dm4n | just installed qtox looks like the way to go, everything is working it looks | 19:45 |
| GngrDr3dm4n | im still going to try and solve my skype issue in time but im up and running | 19:46 |
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| essteb | i need help, i'm tryng to hear a chuck audio program in a kxstudio machine, everything seems ok, the jack server starts, chuck status is ok, but it just does not sounds | 19:55 |
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| distrozapper | essteb: What is chuck please? Can you point me to some source? | 20:52 |
| JackWinter | GngrDr3dm4n: Well then you have it mostly up and running, sorry i'm not sure how i can help you with the capture problem... | 20:53 |
| JackWinter | do you have capture in bitwig? | 20:54 |
| HarryHaaren | distrozapper, google chuck audio language. Its a time-strict audio synthesis language | 20:55 |
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| distrozapper | HarryHaaren: OK thanks! | 20:58 |
| HarryHaaren | y/w | 20:59 |
| distrozapper | essteb: What chuck audio program do you want to play please? | 21:05 |
| GngrDr3dm4n | JackWinter: not sure what u mean by capture, if you mean am i able to record audio in bitwig i was last i checked | 21:13 |
| essteb | in fact i just try jnoise and got the same result ... no audio, the same for the browser, but audacity sounds normal | 21:14 |
| JackWinter | GngrDr3dm4n: yes record. so then i guess jack and sound card is working fine, so the problem is to be sought in either PA or the jack connections | 21:15 |
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| GngrDr3dm4n | JackWinter: i have had say my guitar plugged in streaming threw guitar sims ext no issues | 21:16 |
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| distrozapper | essteb: I installed jnoise and connected it to my hardware playback channels via kxstudio's Claudia. Sounds noisy here. Can you confirm? | 21:47 |
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| distrozapper | HarryHaaren: BTW: Thanks for fix:https://github.com/harryhaaren/openAV-Fabla2/issues/30 :) | 22:13 |
| HarryHaaren | distrozapper, thanks for reporting, I wasn't aware that SO name thingy was deprecated. | 22:14 |
| distrozapper | HarryHaaren: I only can forward this thankfully to falktx, since his <beloved> Carla did report me such on terminal ;) | 22:18 |
| HarryHaaren | hehe yep the falktx rules of LV2 :D | 22:18 |
| HarryHaaren | distrozapper, also the fix was literally remove one line, so I can't really have any excuse as to why to not do that :D | 22:19 |
| falktx | how does this fix anything? | 22:20 |
| distrozapper | ehm? | 22:20 |
| falktx | removing that means the shared-lib will be fully unloaded | 22:20 |
| falktx | was that the issue? | 22:21 |
| falktx | I don't understand how that fixed anything | 22:21 |
| falktx | Using 'nodelete' link options does the same btw | 22:22 |
| falktx | HarryHaaren: what's the explanation here? | 22:22 |
| HarryHaaren | falktx, relax, its ok :) I had the SOnameresident tag in the .ttl, which has been depracated, so Carla refused to load Fabla2. I pass the -WL-no-delete, so all is well | 22:23 |
| * distrozapper stands by for more info | 22:23 | |
| HarryHaaren | also, I don't think thats even necessary with AVTK, but w/e | 22:23 |
| falktx | so that fixes the deprecation thing only? | 22:24 |
| falktx | the UI not showing up bug is still there? | 22:24 |
| HarryHaaren | distrozapper, is there a UI bug? | 22:24 |
| * HarryHaaren doesnt think so.. ? | 22:24 | |
| HarryHaaren | didnt that issue get fixed by me not defaulting to BUILD_UI = OFF ? xD idoitic me :) | 22:25 |
| falktx | btw, why does ntk need no-delete anyway? | 22:25 |
| HarryHaaren | AVTK, not NTK | 22:25 |
| HarryHaaren | no idea, its there from the GTK days | 22:25 |
| * HarryHaaren shrugs | 22:25 | |
| falktx | that makes 0 sence | 22:25 |
| falktx | *cense | 22:25 |
| HarryHaaren | lol | 22:25 |
| falktx | it's only needed for gtk uis | 22:25 |
| HarryHaaren | *sense | 22:25 |
| HarryHaaren | right | 22:25 |
| falktx | because of gobject things | 22:25 |
| HarryHaaren | anyway. | 22:26 |
| falktx | or some other weird gtk thing | 22:26 |
| falktx | qt, ntk, pugl, raw x11, etc don't need that | 22:26 |
| HarryHaaren | ok, i'll remove it from the various projects so | 22:27 |
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| distrozapper | falktx, HarryHaaren : Gentlemen, let me sort my thoughts.. | 22:31 |
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| distrozapper | falktx: Because Carla "told" me so : https://github.com/harryhaaren/openAV-Fabla2/issues/30 | 22:44 |
| HarryHaaren | distrozapper, right - it just didnt work at all, it wasnt a "bug" as such that it didn't work 100% right? | 22:45 |
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| falktx | distrozapper: there's 2 bugs in that report. the deprecated warning and ui not working in carla | 22:46 |
| falktx | oh wait | 22:46 |
| falktx | the UI is not even instantiated | 22:47 |
| falktx | I thought this was the black UI bug, sorry | 22:47 |
| falktx | carla does support http://lv2plug.in/ns/extensions/ui#makeSONameResident though | 22:47 |
| LAbot | Title: LV2 UI (at lv2plug.in) | 22:47 |
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| falktx | shit, there's 2 separate definitions for this | 22:49 |
| falktx | HarryHaaren: even in your own code https://github.com/harryhaaren/openAV-ArtyFX/blob/master/artyfx.lv2/roomy.ttl#L29 | 22:49 |
| falktx | so obviously I missed this | 22:52 |
| falktx | I'll fix this in carla too | 22:52 |
| falktx | never knew this was duplicated in lv2. | 22:56 |
| falktx | now handled in Carla too, https://github.com/falkTX/Carla/commit/df7dee17f640e7a53c619037806f95b94ad2769a | 22:58 |
| falktx | gnight | 22:59 |
| HarryHaaren | night falktx | 23:00 |
| HarryHaaren | aaah yeah now that makes way more sense | 23:00 |
| HarryHaaren | either way, AVTK shouldn't need either of them - so this issue should not exist | 23:00 |
| HarryHaaren | and certainly not the LV2: one, because its a UI: item | 23:01 |
| HarryHaaren | anyway, I *still* should remove them tags from the .TTL | 23:01 |
| HarryHaaren | not going to happen today, but I'll plop it on a TODO | 23:01 |
| * HarryHaaren waves gnight folks | 23:01 | |
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| distrozapper | essteb: Still online? | 23:25 |
| essteb | distrozapper: i'm here, but i lost connection for some reason | 23:26 |
| distrozapper | essteb: connect is fine | 23:27 |
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| essteb | distrozapper: yeah, it's fine | 23:28 |
| essteb | what should i do to get my jack sounds properly ? | 23:29 |
| distrozapper | essteb: Sorry I dont know much about your situation. Expression "what should i do to get my jack sounds properly " does not tell me much. You are running some recent debian-based linux distribution? | 23:39 |
| essteb | I'm using kxstudio, in a virtual machine, audacity sounds right, but the browser dont... the important thing is that I'm writing some code in an audio lenguage call chucK, that uses Jack, in an os works fine, windows... fine, a debian distro, fine, but i can't get my kxstudio sounds... the program runs fine but it' doesnot sound, same for the browser | 23:43 |
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