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| counterfactual | hi, the studio repos are not working in ubuntu right now | 20:03 |
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| counterfactual | also, is there a way to install another desktop on kx studio like cinnamon, unity, or xfce | 20:05 |
| counterfactual | i tried installing cinnamon, and unity and it really messed up kx studio on kde | 20:06 |
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| counterfactual | hi falk | 20:38 |
| counterfactual | i need help | 20:39 |
| counterfactual | kxstudio repos are not working in ubuntu | 20:40 |
| counterfactual | in eaither ubuntu unity or ubuntu studio | 20:41 |
| falktx | 12.04? | 20:41 |
| counterfactual | ubuntu studio 15.04 | 20:41 |
| counterfactual | and unity 14.04 | 20:41 |
| counterfactual | the repos load empty | 20:41 |
| counterfactual | they worked before | 20:41 |
| counterfactual | since well ever | 20:41 |
| counterfactual | but in the last 4 days or so they have not worked | 20:42 |
| counterfactual | i can show a screenshot | 20:42 |
| counterfactual | i load the .deb file | 20:43 |
| counterfactual | and the repos are seen in ubuntu but whne clicked they load empty and are shown as not found | 20:43 |
| counterfactual | any idea what could be the problem falk? | 21:02 |
| holstein | counterfactual: you load what .ded? | 21:11 |
| holstein | anyways, you should be able to install whatever desktop environment you like | 21:11 |
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| holstein | i would expect to work a lot to make unity work.. but, i would simply install main ubuntu, and add the kxstudio ppa's | 21:11 |
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| counterfactual | hi holstein, if i install kxstudio in regular ubuntu its misasing the low latency kernel | 21:14 |
| holstein | counterfactual: you can install it | 21:14 |
| holstein | counterfactual: sudo apt-get install linux-lowlatency | 21:14 |
| holstein | its in the default ubuntu repos.. | 21:15 |
| counterfactual | ah ok! | 21:15 |
| counterfactual | and then, i would install the default settings | 21:15 |
| counterfactual | from kx | 21:15 |
| holstein | i wouldnt | 21:15 |
| holstein | i would literally add the ppa's, and use the updated packages | 21:15 |
| holstein | i wouldnt install anything specific to kxstudio, since, the desktop is not for unity | 21:16 |
| counterfactual | k i think i know what im doing wrong | 21:16 |
| counterfactual | can you tell me what i should install and should not | 21:16 |
| holstein | counterfactual: id say, its a list of like several thousand packages we are talking about, so not specificially | 21:16 |
| holstein | but, what i would install is what i need | 21:17 |
| holstein | jack, ardour, the tools that falktx creates, and provides in the ppa's | 21:17 |
| counterfactual | i notice that i install default settings and cinnamon loses volume and panel, | 21:17 |
| counterfactual | ok what would you NOT INSTALL | 21:17 |
| holstein | i wouldnt get kxstudio specific desktop tweaks, or settings.. but, you can go about this several ways | 21:17 |
| holstein | sure, those settings are not for cinnamon, anyway | 21:17 |
| counterfactual | WHAT WOULD THESE BE LISTED UNDER | 21:17 |
| counterfactual | caps | 21:17 |
| holstein | so you dont need them | 21:17 |
| counterfactual | ah ok | 21:18 |
| holstein | counterfactual: i would literally open a package manager, and search "kxstudio", and read about what i find, there | 21:18 |
| counterfactual | it sems a LOT of people make this mistake | 21:18 |
| holstein | i would then, just install what i want/need, and *note* what is about to be installed | 21:18 |
| holstein | counterfactual: i dont even see it as a mistake | 21:18 |
| holstein | its just a misunderstanding.. trying to use tools that are made for another environment.. its just depends on what the goal is | 21:19 |
| counterfactual | ok | 21:19 |
| holstein | if the goal is, to use kxstudio, there are pre-built images that make that easy, but, one would want to use the kde desktop falktx supports | 21:19 |
| holstein | if one wants to simply add the patched, and newly created packages, and updates, that falktx creates, and provides in ppa's and 3rd party sources for debian and ubuntu, one can add that to what one likes | 21:19 |
| counterfactual | do you know if it works with cinnamon | 21:20 |
| counterfactual | or just ubuntu unity | 21:20 |
| holstein | counterfactual: *all* packages just work | 21:20 |
| counterfactual | ah ok | 21:20 |
| counterfactual | so that sems to be my mistake | 21:20 |
| counterfactual | or misunderstanding | 21:20 |
| counterfactual | i was installing the defualt settings | 21:20 |
| holstein | so, what i would do is, go one way or the other.. get the desktop setup, and add kxstudio sources, and packages.. or, install kxstudio, and configure, and then install cinammon | 21:21 |
| counterfactual | then lol the volume panel would go missing and id lose all sound | 21:21 |
| holstein | counterfactual: well, it has a jack alll the time, setup | 21:21 |
| counterfactual | cinnamon does not work though as installed desktioop | 21:21 |
| counterfactual | it sorted looked down upojn by ubuntu | 21:21 |
| holstein | counterfactual: you would need to elaborate about what is happening.. "cinnamon doesnt work" is a statement.. and theres not much to do about that | 21:22 |
| counterfactual | oh ok | 21:22 |
| holstein | "i install cinnamon via apt-get install, and when i login, i only get a desktop, and no panel"... etc | 21:22 |
| holstein | those are addressable ^ | 21:22 |
| counterfactual | i mean, cinnamon is not stable on ubuntu because there no stable build only way to is install nightly ppa build | 21:22 |
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| counterfactual | which is unstable | 21:22 |
| holstein | counterfactual: if you want to use cinnamon, you use it.. as it is | 21:23 |
| holstein | counterfactual: its either stable, or not | 21:23 |
| holstein | i have used it, for testing, and it was fine | 21:23 |
| holstein | i have had it installed, and chose beteen it, and many other DE's | 21:23 |
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| counterfactual | would i have any bennifit if i installed cinnamon with kx studior epos | 21:24 |
| counterfactual | i like a nice vaniila install | 21:24 |
| holstein | install what you like | 21:24 |
| counterfactual | ok | 21:24 |
| counterfactual | ill try that man | 21:24 |
| holstein | if you had cinnamon, and the kstudio sources, you would have that as the benefit | 21:25 |
| counterfactual | i think you made me understand what i was misunderstnading | 21:25 |
| holstein | the cinnamon desktop, assuming thats what you want, and the packages falktx creates.. | 21:25 |
| counterfactual | i understand | 21:25 |
| holstein | you wont get the kxstudio experience, but, you dont have to have that, to run the packages | 21:25 |
| holstein | falktx packages ardour, in the ppa.. so, if you use the source, you get the current ardour, for example | 21:26 |
| counterfactual | what do you mean expieirience | 21:26 |
| holstein | you dont have to have jack all the time,and kde, and all the other kxstudio specifics to appreciate, and take advantage of that, in *any* debian/ubuntu system | 21:26 |
| holstein | counterfactual: the *entire* experienc | 21:26 |
| holstein | counterfactual: jack runnig at login.. themes.. etc.. whatever you see that makes kxstudio look and feel different | 21:27 |
| counterfactual | ah ok | 21:27 |
| holstein | though, one may not want that.. one may just want the applications | 21:27 |
| counterfactual | i don't :) | 21:27 |
| counterfactual | thanx man! | 21:27 |
| holstein | yup | 21:27 |
| holstein | just keep an eye on what is being installed.. | 21:27 |
| holstein | feel free to ask *before* hitting the button.. or, do a dry run.. | 21:28 |
| counterfactual | another question, if i used cinnamon, and i installed the defualt settigns what happens to cinnmaon | 21:28 |
| holstein | what default settings? | 21:28 |
| counterfactual | technical | 21:28 |
| counterfactual | from kx studio repos | 21:28 |
| counterfactual | seems to really destroy cinn amon | 21:28 |
| holstein | are you taking about the kde/kxstudio stuff that im suggesting you *not* install?i would , again, expect it to not work, since, it specifically created for kde | 21:28 |
| holstein | i dont expect anything to destroy anything | 21:29 |
| counterfactual | yes | 21:29 |
| counterfactual | im asking what was happeing | 21:29 |
| holstein | i would have to see what you are talking about, specifically | 21:29 |
| counterfactual | i know now not tpo install it | 21:29 |
| counterfactual | but i was just wondering what was happeing behind te scence | 21:29 |
| holstein | anyways, some handy general computer "rules" i have may help | 21:29 |
| counterfactual | it ok man | 21:29 |
| holstein | dont experiement on the production rig | 21:29 |
| holstein | backup, since *all* hard drives fail | 21:29 |
| counterfactual | at least i know not to do it now | 21:29 |
| counterfactual | ok ill be back | 21:30 |
| holstein | if you can, run a testing instance of *exactly* what you run on the production rig, and test updates.. or, dont update | 21:30 |
| counterfactual | ill be so happy if this works | 21:30 |
| holstein | setup an appliance, and take it off line.. | 21:30 |
| counterfactual | i know what happens though | 21:30 |
| holstein | counterfactual: you may need to be more proactive, but, i assure you, you can make anyhting work | 21:30 |
| counterfactual | it whne i install the default settings that the volume disapears, and all audio gos | 21:31 |
| counterfactual | you right | 21:31 |
| counterfactual | k man | 21:31 |
| counterfactual | bbl | 21:31 |
| counterfactual | going see if this works | 21:31 |
| holstein | you'd have to state *exacly* what you install | 21:31 |
| counterfactual | ok | 21:31 |
| holstein | and the proceedures.. and have the breakage happening | 21:31 |
| counterfactual | are you going to be here in 30 minutes | 21:32 |
| holstein | sounds like, *exactly* what i would expect, though | 21:32 |
| holstein | jack would be started, and running, and breaking the audio, without being configured | 21:32 |
| counterfactual | im going to install kx and then write down what to install and what to noit | 21:32 |
| holstein | the volume applet could crash from that, as well | 21:32 |
| holstein | i would install kxstudio, and add cinnamon.. | 21:32 |
| holstein | dont remove kde, or the login screen.. just add it, and select cinnamon at login.. | 21:33 |
| holstein | i think thats the quickest path to what you want | 21:33 |
| counterfactual | ok | 21:34 |
| counterfactual | what command do i type to install cinnamon again | 21:34 |
| counterfactual | im wrting this down | 21:34 |
| holstein | i literally open the package manger of my choice, search cinnamon, and read about what is there | 21:35 |
| holstein | in 15.04, i see "cinnamon-core" and "cinnamon-desktop-environment" | 21:35 |
| counterfactual | i think id rather go cinnmaon first and kx on top | 21:36 |
| holstein | in 14.04, you may need a ppa.. either way, i would try just *core | 21:36 |
| counterfactual | hope thats ok | 21:36 |
| holstein | do what you like | 21:36 |
| counterfactual | ok | 21:36 |
| holstein | its just that, there is no "cinnamon os" | 21:36 |
| counterfactual | bbl | 21:36 |
| holstein | and if the goal is "audio", kxstudio is the larger project | 21:36 |
| holstein | it will be a lot of packages to add to ubuntu that you install cinnamon in.. or, simply 'sudo apt-get install cinnamon-core' in a kxkstudio install.. maybe after adding the ppa's for cinnamon | 21:37 |
| holstein | but, the end result is the same | 21:37 |
| counterfactual | i understand heheah ok | 21:37 |
| holstein | and if my goal was, a desktop machine with some casual audio work.. etc.. i would set the desktop up, and just add what i want from the kxstudio ppa's | 21:37 |
| counterfactual | sudo apt-get install cinnamon-core | 21:37 |
| counterfactual | thats what i was looking for | 21:38 |
| holstein | depends on the goal | 21:38 |
| counterfactual | ill try both ways:) | 21:38 |
| holstein | sure.. i thought you had already tried one way? | 21:39 |
| holstein | anyways.. good luck | 21:39 |
| counterfactual | sorta, except i installed the kx studio default settings | 21:39 |
| counterfactual | i wont do that this time | 21:39 |
| counterfactual | or any of the desk top stuff | 21:39 |
| counterfactual | alright ill be back in half hour | 21:40 |
| counterfactual | ill let you know how it worked | 21:40 |
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| Counterfactual | hi | 22:47 |
| Counterfactual | i have a SERIOUS problem with kx studio and mint | 22:48 |
| Counterfactual | i took a screen shot | 22:48 |
| Counterfactual | mint/kxstudio is forcing me to install a set of packages | 22:48 |
| Counterfactual | this set of packages absolutely destroys kxstudio on mint | 22:49 |
| Counterfactual | im not going toi install it | 22:49 |
| Counterfactual | i need to figure out which package is destroying my kx studio on mint install | 22:49 |
| Counterfactual | [IMG]http://i61.tinypic.com/qo81a9.png[/IMG] | 22:58 |
| Counterfactual | [IMG]http://i61.tinypic.com/qo81a9.jpg[/IMG] | 22:59 |
| spectromas | what do you mean it is destroying kxstudio? | 23:03 |
| Counterfactual | one of these packages after it installs, remove the volume panel and all audio | 23:03 |
| Counterfactual | then i have no sound and then thiers no way way to get audio no matter what i do | 23:04 |
| spectromas | Counterfactual probably better to speak to falktx then, doesn't look like anything that unusual that it's trying to update | 23:05 |
| Counterfactual | http://imgur.com/WJrMR1P | 23:07 |
| LAbot | Title: Imgur (at imgur.com) | 23:07 |
| Counterfactual | im at a loss | 23:08 |
| Counterfactual | i have NO clue | 23:08 |
| Counterfactual | something is seriously wrong with kx studio and mint | 23:12 |
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| falktx | sounds like a pulseaudio problem | 23:32 |
| Counterfactual | so what can i do | 23:34 |
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