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| maitake | Hmm. I added the kx repos and was going to try jack2 | 02:35 |
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| maitake | But there isn't a jack2 package? | 02:35 |
| maitake | I see a jackd2 though. Heh | 02:37 |
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| audioterminal | Hi how can I force sound card 2 to be device 0? http://pastebin.com/c457vXdd | 05:08 |
| holstein | i will just thin the options out, personally | 05:09 |
| holstein | like the SB live. i would just ditch it, and that would help me keep track of the other, internal one | 05:09 |
| holstein | if, that was the "best" card, then, i would disable the other in the bios.. | 05:10 |
| audioterminal | The internal card is already disabled so it does not show up | 05:11 |
| audioterminal | The current device 0 is the sound on my video card | 05:11 |
| holstein | otherwise, something like this will probably get you going http://alsa.opensrc.org/MultipleCards | 05:11 |
| LAbot | Title: alsa.opensrc.org (at alsa.opensrc.org) | 05:11 |
| audioterminal | Ok thank you I wrote an /etc/asound.cof but it did not work | 05:13 |
| holstein | it should | 05:13 |
| audioterminal | sorry /etc/asound.conf is what i meant | 05:13 |
| holstein | you can always share it, here, or, in #opensourcemusicians or, a general linux channel, or alsa channel, and see more about specifics | 05:14 |
| holstein | whats the goal? | 05:14 |
| holstein | is it just for starting jack, consitently? | 05:14 |
| audioterminal | I just thought it would give some priority to that card over the soundcard audio. | 05:16 |
| audioterminal | over the video card audio | 05:16 |
| holstein | no | 05:17 |
| holstein | its just a label | 05:17 |
| audioterminal | This is what i typed on the asound.conf file | 05:17 |
| audioterminal | defaults.pcm.card 2 | 05:17 |
| audioterminal | defaults.ctl.card 2 | 05:17 |
| holstein | labeling wont give the device any priority, so, you can disgreard, and dont bother with changing the label | 05:18 |
| holstein | its literally a label, thats all | 05:18 |
| audioterminal | ok thank you I will just forget about that | 05:20 |
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| audioterminal | Hi what midi sequencer from the kxstudio repositories is recomended for music composition? | 08:10 |
| audioterminal | I am going to learn from cero. I have some previous experience with cakewalk sonar | 08:11 |
| audioterminal | I was editing with ardour but midi part still has some bugs I keep losing days of work due to that | 08:12 |
| audioterminal | Si I was thinking Rosegarden, MusE or whatever you think would be a good choice for what I am planning to do. Make midi Covers of existing hits or composing some music. | 08:14 |
| audioterminal | I will be using a midi keyboard. Having a form of step secuencer would be a good plus but not realy necesary because I do not work with electronic music much. | 08:16 |
| audioterminal | It would be great if I can import an audio file just like in ardour and match the tempo to use it as reference to imitate every instrument part. | 08:17 |
| audioterminal | I'll be on line for a while hopefully someone can recomend something available on kxstudio | 08:18 |
| maitake | Hmm I'm not familiar with the free ones but on a budget I'd just rig Reaper up in wine w/ low latency kernel | 08:19 |
| maitake | It excels with midi | 08:20 |
| maitake | I think it only costs 60 dollars USD | 08:20 |
| maitake | Personally I use bitwig studio. It isn't free either, and much more expensive | 08:20 |
| maitake | Maybe try one of the trackers for midi sequencing? | 08:21 |
| audioterminal | I am going for a free one because what I will do is not commercial and I want to test what is available for free out there. Otherwise I would just stick to Sonar because I know my way around there. | 08:24 |
| maitake | Oh I see | 08:26 |
| maitake | Sorry | 08:26 |
| audioterminal | no problem maitake | 08:26 |
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| rghvdberg | wow ... hydrogen midi out is quite buggy isn't it ? | 11:02 |
| rghvdberg | oh wait , I think this is just a midi problem, not a hydrogen thing | 11:04 |
| rghvdberg | never mind | 11:04 |
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| rghvdberg | is festige broken ? | 11:48 |
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| maitake2 | hmm, i'm having a difficult time getting my axiom 49 midi keyboard routed | 16:03 |
| maitake2 | bitwig just isn't detecting it some reason | 16:03 |
| maitake2 | alsa midi bridge is active | 16:03 |
| maitake2 | here's what i'm looking at (without any connections): http://i.imgur.com/JTW3JD0.jpg | 16:04 |
| maitake2 | tried connecting all sorts of variations there but still no notes going into bitwig | 16:04 |
| maitake2 | bitwig detects 3 midi inputs but selecting any of them isn't helping either | 16:05 |
| spectromas | maitake2: did you try adding it manually in bitwig? | 16:11 |
| maitake2 | yes i did | 16:13 |
| maitake2 | added a midi keyboard device. it gives me Axiom 49 MIDI 1, 2, and 3 | 16:13 |
| spectromas | hmm I can't get my nanokey to work in it either but maybe I'm doing something wrong | 16:13 |
| maitake2 | i feel like i've tried every variation of connection | 16:14 |
| maitake2 | and none of them send midi to bitwig | 16:14 |
| maitake2 | this is strange because alsa alone works fine, i've used it before | 16:14 |
| maitake2 | i activated "Show ALSA Midi", the experimental feature and tried routing it there | 16:14 |
| maitake2 | didn't work either | 16:14 |
| maitake2 | argh lol | 16:18 |
| maitake2 | super frustrating. i'm so close to having the ultimate workstation haha | 16:18 |
| maitake2 | brb, grabbing a shower | 16:19 |
| spectromas | maitake2: I don't know, seems really weird | 16:19 |
| maitake2 | yeah | 16:20 |
| maitake2 | i tried making the connections with qjackctrl as well | 16:20 |
| maitake2 | still nothing | 16:20 |
| maitake2 | enabled and disabled the alsa midi bridge, neither configuration works either | 16:20 |
| maitake2 | maybe i'm misunderstanding the purpose of the midi passthrough ports? | 16:22 |
| maitake2 | not sure what they do | 16:22 |
| spectromas | http://answers.bitwig.com/questions/371/solved-midi-io-on-linux | 16:23 |
| LAbot | Title: Bitwig | Answers (at answers.bitwig.com) | 16:23 |
| spectromas | seems it's broken | 16:23 |
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| maitake2 | huh, that's weird | 16:26 |
| maitake2 | i know alsa can work just fine because it certainly did before | 16:26 |
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| maitake2 | hi falktx_ | 16:26 |
| falktx_ | hi | 16:27 |
| maitake2 | sorry to be one of your more annoying users but now that all my audio routing with kxstudio works perfect i'm having a bit of midi issues | 16:28 |
| maitake2 | was just discussing this with spectromas a second ago: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=yNzzGghY | 16:28 |
| spectromas | what the hell | 16:31 |
| spectromas | maitake2: I have it working, such a strange solution though | 16:31 |
| maitake2 | what did you try? | 16:32 |
| spectromas | http://linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=12748 basically 'modprobe snd_virmidi' and then connect your keyboard to Virtual Raw Midi and then choose that the bitwig | 16:32 |
| LAbot | Title: LinuxMusicians View topic - virtual ALSA midi device for BITWIG studio? (at linuxmusicians.com) | 16:32 |
| maitake2 | haha | 16:32 |
| maitake2 | so a secondary interface? | 16:32 |
| spectromas | can't be the right way though | 16:32 |
| maitake2 | that works for me i guess.. lemme try it | 16:33 |
| maitake2 | it's just midi data.. if i can get the damn thing there i don't mind what it takes :) | 16:33 |
| maitake2 | catia is routing my audio applications 100% perfect now | 16:33 |
| maitake2 | darn midi | 16:33 |
| maitake2 | lol | 16:33 |
| spectromas | surely bitwig can't be expecting their users to be probing kernel modules | 16:34 |
| maitake2 | whoa holy crap. catia just exploded with inputs and outputs | 16:35 |
| maitake2 | spectromas: can you screencap your routing real quick? | 16:35 |
| maitake2 | spectromas: that does seem extreme, but perhaps you're right and this is just a simple bug of some sort | 16:35 |
| spectromas | maitake2: http://i.imgur.com/Jkifilx.png | 16:37 |
| spectromas | this is ridiculous | 16:37 |
| maitake2 | haha yes | 16:39 |
| maitake2 | okay it works for me. thank you so much | 16:39 |
| maitake2 | though yeah this is crazy | 16:39 |
| maitake2 | bitwig is reading like 40 ports | 16:40 |
| maitake2 | strangely only 4 show up in catia/qjackctl | 16:40 |
| maitake2 | the 3-0 through 3-4 | 16:40 |
| falktx_ | maitake2: afaik bitwig won't show hw devices if a2jmidid is running | 16:40 |
| falktx_ | you might need to disable the alsa-midi bridge before running bitwig | 16:41 |
| falktx_ | maitake2: have you tried that? | 16:41 |
| falktx_ | spectromas: why are you using vir-midi instead of the midi-through ports? | 16:42 |
| spectromas | falktx_: I don't know what's going on, I just did modprobe snd_virmidi as that thread suggested | 16:43 |
| falktx_ | spectromas: kxstudio should have 16 midi through ports by default | 16:43 |
| spectromas | I just use cadence. How is that enabled? | 16:45 |
| maitake2 | hmm confused about the through ports and how to route things i guess | 16:45 |
| falktx_ | spectromas: I think you might have disabled the midi through ports manually because of wine | 16:46 |
| spectromas | falktx_: I don't know, I don't remember doing that, how it is it disabled manually? | 16:47 |
| falktx_ | some file in /etc/ | 16:48 |
| spectromas | falktx_: /etc/modprobe.d/snd-seq-dummy_16.conf ? could you cat that? is it just: options snd-seq-dummy ports=16 ? | 16:54 |
| falktx_ | that is correct | 16:54 |
| spectromas | ok thanks | 16:55 |
| maitake2 | i'll have to experiment more after work. got caught up playing in bitwig again haha | 17:06 |
| maitake2 | for now i'm 100% okay with just probing the kernel | 17:07 |
| maitake2 | i'll venture back into the dark side after work and try and find a solution. maybe should write up a report to get online somewhere to help others | 17:07 |
| maitake2 | kxstudio is amazing falktx_ | 17:08 |
| falktx_ | ;) | 17:08 |
| maitake2 | had a lot of fun last night piping youtube videos into carla rack plugins! just beautiful audio mangling and routing fun. maybe the days of "linux sucks for audio" are dead | 17:08 |
| falktx_ | now if someone could do something about the heat | 17:08 |
| falktx_ | laptop is 55º while idle with a lower thing with fans on | 17:10 |
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| spectromas | falktx_: so should I be able to use the midi through in bitwig? It doesn't seem to see any of them | 17:49 |
| spectromas | looks like it has to use snd_virmidi | 17:50 |
| spectromas | well it seems this is the system they intended http://answers.bitwig.com/questions/1218/how-do-i-get-midi-inout-of-bws-on-linux | 17:58 |
| LAbot | Title: Bitwig | Answers (at answers.bitwig.com) | 17:58 |
| spectromas | sorry, not sure why I'm posting it here | 17:58 |
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| maitake | Are there concerns about using the virtual midi probe? Is that a security problem or a performance problem? | 19:12 |
| maitake | Just curious because I'm still a Linux amateur pretty much | 19:12 |
| spectromas | maitake: I haven't heard anything wrong with it, it's just quite unusual | 19:15 |
| spectromas | I haven't come across anything needing it before | 19:15 |
| maitake | Oh | 19:18 |
| maitake | Okay cool | 19:18 |
| maitake | It works perfectly fine so I'm just going to roll with it | 19:18 |
| maitake | Kinda cool having so many in/out ports too | 19:18 |
| maitake | Could get creative with it | 19:18 |
| spectromas | yeah it seems it's the official bitwig way so should be fine | 19:18 |
| maitake | Official? Weird lol | 19:22 |
| spectromas | maitake: official as in they posted it here - http://answers.bitwig.com/questions/1218/how-do-i-get-midi-inout-of-bws-on-linux | 19:23 |
| LAbot | Title: Bitwig | Answers (at answers.bitwig.com) | 19:23 |
| maitake | Interesting | 19:25 |
| maitake | Well at least it's flexible | 19:25 |
| maitake | You enjoying Bitwig spectromas? What do you think about it? | 19:41 |
| spectromas | maitake: I haven't really dug in to it too much, just trying the demo at the moment. It's definitely getting there | 19:44 |
| spectromas | it's too expensive for me but I do love it I have to admit | 19:44 |
| maitake | Oh I see | 19:50 |
| maitake | Yeah it grew on me quickly. I used ableton live for years but tried bitwig for a week and bought it immediately then deleted live | 19:51 |
| maitake | Lol | 19:51 |
| maitake | It just seems to do things the m right. Whole workflow feels very well thought out | 19:52 |
| spectromas | maitake: yeah there was a gap in between using ableton in windows, switching to linux, and bitwig being released | 19:53 |
| maitake | Haha | 19:53 |
| spectromas | I was a little lost trying to find the right thing and I found renoise | 19:53 |
| spectromas | it's not perfect for everything but I love it | 19:53 |
| maitake | Wanted to get away from Windows too huh¿ | 19:54 |
| maitake | Yes renoise is great software too | 19:54 |
| maitake | Renoise to me feels like bitwig's tracker based brother | 19:54 |
| spectromas | haha oh yeah, I realised there wasn't much holding me back when I found I could run ableton in wine, but that wasn't very good and didn't last long but by that stage I was in love with linux and determined to stay with it | 19:54 |
| maitake | Cool | 19:55 |
| maitake | Good choice | 19:55 |
| spectromas | yeah it's just so powerful, I learn more about it every day and it constantly blows my mind what you can do with it | 19:55 |
| maitake | Haha | 19:55 |
| spectromas | that said, bitwig is very impressive | 19:55 |
| maitake | I agree | 19:55 |
| maitake | Been hard to convince my friend's to try bitwig | 19:56 |
| flexus | 259€, what? | 19:56 |
| maitake | Huh? | 19:56 |
| flexus | ok, it seems to be professional | 19:56 |
| maitake | Oh | 19:57 |
| maitake | Believe me that price is nothing | 19:57 |
| flexus | didnt know of a linux software that pricey | 19:57 |
| maitake | It's pretty damn incredible for that price | 19:58 |
| maitake | And still just a fraction the cost of Live 9 | 19:58 |
| flexus | is there a plugin possibility? | 19:58 |
| maitake | Bitwig plugin? | 19:58 |
| flexus | propritary you mean | 19:59 |
| maitake | Yeah it's proprietary | 19:59 |
| maitake | But you could route audio and midi out of it into other software I guess | 20:00 |
| maitake | If that's what you were asking | 20:00 |
| flexus | extensions, written by others on an open api | 20:02 |
| maitake | But I paid $300 USD for it last year and I'm pretty certain it's one of the best 300s I've ever spent. I obsess over making stuff in bitwig. Very fun | 20:03 |
| maitake | Hmm no bitwig isn't extendible like that? It had | 20:03 |
| spectromas | flexus: you can load vsts | 20:03 |
| maitake | It has a JavaScript api for programming hardware controllers | 20:03 |
| maitake | Ah yes, and supports vsts | 20:04 |
| maitake | I've managed to load Kxstudio plugins into it too using kxstudio carla rack | 20:04 |
| flexus | maybe i'll try the demo and give you some echo | 20:06 |
| maitake | Cool | 20:06 |
| flexus | positive or negative :o) | 20:06 |
| maitake | Fans | 20:07 |
| maitake | Oops | 20:07 |
| maitake | Haha* | 20:07 |
| maitake | Yeah your mileage may vary. I absolutely love it. Favorite daw I've ever used | 20:07 |
| maitake | They have huge plans for it too. Bitwig v2 will be a fully modular DAW like maxmsp or pure data | 20:08 |
| maitake | Also they're working on network sync so 2 people can collaborate on the same song at the same time | 20:09 |
| flexus | might be opus codec... | 20:11 |
| maitake | Opus codec? | 20:12 |
| maitake | Haha | 20:12 |
| maitake | You must be european ;) | 20:12 |
| flexus | there was once an experiment on teaming up musicians over it | 20:14 |
| flexus | dont ask me how it was called and if its alive | 20:15 |
| flexus | anyways have fun with the software. maybe i'll check it out. new stuff is always good | 20:16 |
| maitake | Oh I see | 20:17 |
| maitake | Cool | 20:17 |
| maitake | Yeah I'm surprised not much has been explored with that | 20:17 |
| maitake | There is a DAW called "ohm studio" that does it but I read it's not a very nice daw | 20:18 |
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| flexus | the software i used was only some kind of live chat where some musicians did their thing and you could hop on | 20:21 |
| flexus | delay was ok for inet | 20:22 |
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| maitake | Nice | 20:28 |
| maitake | That sounds kinda funny | 20:28 |
| flexus | some kind of jam session program, not more, not less | 20:32 |
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