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| audioterminal | Hi everyone, my firewire audio interface can handle only up to 24-bit/96k audio. How can I setup jack for that on kxstudio 14.04.2? | 05:55 |
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| audioterminal | I know how to setup ardour4 for that but will that be good enough or do I have to setup jack to handle that sample rate? | 05:56 |
| audioterminal | I want no on the fly conversions because my pc is old and my HDD can not keep up recording midi to audio | 05:58 |
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| JackWinter | audioterminal: jack does no sample rate conversion. i'd say just start jack at 96k with your interface | 08:04 |
| JackWinter | mind you that 96k will put double the data rate that your disk has to sustain.. | 08:05 |
| JackWinter | i mean compared to 48k | 08:06 |
| audioterminal | I am using a sata HDD but I am not sure of the data transfer my motherboard handles. I will figure out and maybe you guys can give me some advice. Thank you for your responce | 08:09 |
| audioterminal | This is my HDD data transfer test | 08:16 |
| audioterminal | sudo hdparm -tT /dev/sda | 08:16 |
| audioterminal | [sudo] password for audioterminal: | 08:16 |
| audioterminal | /dev/sda: | 08:16 |
| audioterminal | Timing cached reads: 1458 MB in 2.00 seconds = 728.36 MB/sec | 08:16 |
| audioterminal | Timing buffered disk reads: 218 MB in 3.02 seconds = 72.26 MB/sec | 08:16 |
| JackWinter | looks like a enough to do quite a lot of audio tracks... on the other hand i've noticed that when doing low latency audio on traditional hdds, i need to use a separate disk for my audio. having it in my home will cause the occasional xrun no matter what disk io scheduler i use | 08:19 |
| JackWinter | ymmw of course...:) | 08:19 |
| audioterminal | Ok I have an available 500Gb HDD that I can install in my PC for that | 08:20 |
| JackWinter | but this only appears at really low latencies... and i suppose most likely wouldn't be a problem on ssds | 08:20 |
| JackWinter | just something to keep in mind if you are going flat out for the lowest latency that you can | 08:21 |
| audioterminal | BTW my processor is only an Intel Pentium Dual CPU E2180 @ 2.0 Ghz. Do you think this PC will do? | 08:22 |
| audioterminal | I am planning to work at 2.7 ms | 08:22 |
| audioterminal | My interface supports 2.7 on Windows with the original presonus drivers but I do not knwo if it will work with KXStudio. I do not want to go back to Widows though | 08:23 |
| audioterminal | A little more latency will not hurt. maybe I can live with about 5ms | 08:24 |
| audioterminal | I will try with the extra HDD for sessions, maybe that is why I get xruns when recording from instrument plugins like SFZ files loaded on linuxsampler | 08:29 |
| audioterminal | JackWinter Do you recomend I keep my sfz files on the main HDD or also on the second hard drive with my sessions? | 08:30 |
| JackWinter | i can't say what processor you need (depends on what you do), but i think it might very well be enough. 2.7ms that's 256 frames buffer at 96k, right? | 08:30 |
| audioterminal | Yes that is right, that is how I have it set now 256 frames buffer at 96k | 08:31 |
| JackWinter | audioterminal: i don't use midi and samples, but you might want to do some tests. i just know that ardour was giving me xruns occasionally and i verified the problem running bonnie++, moving the audio files to a different disk made the problem go away. | 08:32 |
| JackWinter | i think that might be doable, but i don't have much experience with firewire devices, and i think there has been quite a lot of changes lately. i know someone who runs archlinux with a -rt patched kernel that claims being able to use 64 frames (or possibly even 32 frames) over firewire. think he has an i7 though, but i don't the the cpu really enters into the discussion. | 08:33 |
| JackWinter | you might possibly also benefit from using the threadirq kernel boot flag, and then setting the priority of the irq handler for your fw controller to 97 and setting jack to 80. | 08:34 |
| JackWinter | or going full out with a -rt kernel (i think they are avilable for debian again somewhere) | 08:36 |
| audioterminal | those things you just mentioned mean I would have to do a manual custom compile of the kernel right? | 08:36 |
| JackWinter | sorry the kernel boot flag is threadirqs (for vanilla and lowlat kernels) | 08:36 |
| JackWinter | the -rt patched kernel doesn't need the flag | 08:37 |
| JackWinter | no need to build a kernel. just add "threadirqs" to the kernel command line in your boot manager | 08:37 |
| audioterminal | I am using KXStudio and would use only things included with it to avoid conflicts | 08:38 |
| JackWinter | that gives me a thread named like this: irq/17-firewire | 08:39 |
| JackWinter | then i can change the default priority from 50 to 97 running a command like this: chrt -f -p 97 `pgrep irq/17-firewire` | 08:40 |
| JackWinter | note the funny quotes that are from the key close to ESC on a us keyboard | 08:40 |
| JackWinter | and then set jack to run -rt at priority 80. think that will make your audio much more stable. | 08:41 |
| JackWinter | or rather much less prone to xruns | 08:41 |
| JackWinter | and you might get away without using a realtime kernel is you use 256/512 frames at 96k. this you'll have to test yourself to see how low you can go | 08:42 |
| audioterminal | maybe cadence has those flags to setup jack, I will check the application | 08:42 |
| audioterminal | my realtime flag for jack is on | 08:44 |
| audioterminal | on the advance tag i read: server synchronous mode, that flag is off | 08:45 |
| audioterminal | and Replace Shared Memory Registry, but that one is off too | 08:46 |
| audioterminal | Realtime priority: 85 | 08:46 |
| audioterminal | Is a higher number a better priority or the other way around? | 08:48 |
| JackWinter | you can use rt prio 85 too. it's ok and won't change anything. but using the threadirqs flag on the kernel when booting will export the threads. and setting it to 97 will make sure that it runs before any other irq handling threads, like those for disk i/o, gpu, etc. | 08:48 |
| audioterminal | I have a priority of 85 noe | 08:48 |
| audioterminal | i mean now | 08:49 |
| JackWinter | well priority levels are only relative not absolute. so 85 is not better or worse than 80... | 08:49 |
| JackWinter | normally the kernel runs some threads at priority 1, all the irq handlers at 50 and some other house keeping threads at 99. | 08:50 |
| JackWinter | so if you set the thread handling the firewire interrupt high say 97, it will run before any other threads. then jack will run at 85, and finally all audio processing (at jack's -5) so in your case 80. then disk io etc will run at 50, and finally all the other threads in the system | 08:51 |
| audioterminal | Now I remember of a config file that had all those priorities listed, is the one where you give a beetter priority to your firewire audio devices than any other audio device | 08:52 |
| JackWinter | there is the rtirq script, but it seems to change a lot of threads.... in your case you only need to change priority of the firewire handling thread | 08:52 |
| JackWinter | but you'll need to add the threadirqs flag when booting the kernel, otherwise this stuff is hidden from userland and you can't change it | 08:53 |
| JackWinter | you could either run the command i gave you above, or use the rtirq script, but then you ought to disable it from changing anything except for the fw interrupt handler | 08:54 |
| audioterminal | I would need help with changing the threadirqs flag | 08:54 |
| JackWinter | what boot manager do you use? | 08:55 |
| JackWinter | note that i'm not a kxstudio/ubuntu/debian user... | 08:55 |
| audioterminal | I use KXStudio now and I have no idea | 08:55 |
| audioterminal | KXStudio 14.04 | 08:56 |
| audioterminal | On ubuntustudio it was grub2 | 08:57 |
| JackWinter | does that mean that you use ubuntu 14.04 with the kxstudio addon repos? | 08:57 |
| audioterminal | nope | 08:57 |
| audioterminal | just kxstudio from their 14.04 DVD image | 08:58 |
| JackWinter | ok, can you install it or does it run from the DVD? | 08:58 |
| audioterminal | it is installed on my sistem | 08:59 |
| audioterminal | on my system | 08:59 |
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| JackWinter | well i'm not sure how to find out what boot manager it uses...:) | 08:59 |
| _rach_ | hi | 08:59 |
| _rach_ | i ve a question about phasex and catia plugs | 09:00 |
| audioterminal | np JackWinter | 09:00 |
| audioterminal | Ok I am reading | 09:00 |
| _rach_ | i ve no sound, only with phasex | 09:00 |
| JackWinter | maybe it already uses the threadirqs boot flag... what does "ps aux | grep irq" return? | 09:00 |
| audioterminal | let me check that command | 09:01 |
| _rach_ | zynaddub fx , bristols work well, but no sound with phasex | 09:01 |
| audioterminal | oot 3 0.2 0.0 0 0 ? S 00:36 0:27 [ksoftirqd/0] | 09:02 |
| audioterminal | root 26 0.4 0.0 0 0 ? S 00:36 0:59 [ksoftirqd/1] | 09:02 |
| audioterminal | root 37 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 00:36 0:00 [irq/9-acpi] | 09:02 |
| audioterminal | root 64 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 00:36 0:00 [irq/14-ata_piix] | 09:02 |
| audioterminal | root 65 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 00:36 0:00 [irq/15-ata_piix] | 09:02 |
| audioterminal | root 69 1.3 0.0 0 0 ? S 00:36 2:45 [irq/19-ata_piix] | 09:02 |
| audioterminal | root 74 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 00:36 0:01 [irq/23-ehci_hcd] | 09:02 |
| audioterminal | root 75 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 00:36 0:08 [irq/23-uhci_hcd] | 09:02 |
| audioterminal | root 76 1.2 0.0 0 0 ? S 00:36 2:36 [irq/19-uhci_hcd] | 09:02 |
| audioterminal | root 77 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 00:36 0:04 [irq/18-uhci_hcd] | 09:02 |
| audioterminal | root 78 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 00:36 0:00 [irq/16-uhci_hcd] | 09:02 |
| audioterminal | root 80 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 00:36 0:00 [irq/12-i8042] | 09:02 |
| audioterminal | root 81 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 00:36 0:00 [irq/1-i8042] | 09:02 |
| audioterminal | root 82 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 00:36 0:00 [irq/8-rtc0] | 09:03 |
| audioterminal | root 151 2.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 00:36 4:17 [irq/19-firewire] | 09:03 |
| JackWinter | audioterminal: no need to paste it here :) | 09:03 |
| audioterminal | root 178 0.1 0.0 0 0 ? S 00:36 0:18 [irq/40-nouveau] | 09:03 |
| audioterminal | root 424 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 00:36 0:00 [irq/7-parport0] | 09:03 |
| audioterminal | root 430 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 00:36 0:00 [irq/41-snd_hda_] | 09:03 |
| audioterminal | root 434 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 00:36 0:00 [irq/16-snd_hda_] | 09:03 |
| audioterminal | root 1317 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 00:36 0:11 [irq/18-rt2800pc] | 09:03 |
| _rach_ | lol | 09:03 |
| audioterminal | root 1320 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 00:36 0:00 [irq/20-eth0] | 09:03 |
| audioterminal | audiote+ 3581 0.0 0.0 11684 928 pts/4 S+ 04:02 0:00 grep --color=auto irq | 09:03 |
| _rach_ | this spam | 09:03 |
| _rach_ | use a pastbin.com | 09:03 |
| audioterminal | sorry | 09:03 |
| audioterminal | Ok i will | 09:03 |
| JackWinter | but there you have it, it's already there. so all you need is to use the following: chrt -f -p 97 `pgrep irq/19-firewire` | 09:04 |
| audioterminal | http://pastebin.com/kmZSmiBm | 09:06 |
| audioterminal | chrt -f -p 97 `pgrep irq/19-firewire` That would be typed on terminal or on a script? | 09:08 |
| audioterminal | so my firewire device is on irq/19. Will that ever change since it is a plug/unplug device, or once I set it, it stays that way? | 09:09 |
| JackWinter | hmm, i don't know why get a problem with that on my system. for now try "sudo chrt -f -p 97 151" | 09:10 |
| JackWinter | 151 being the PID of your firewire irq handler | 09:10 |
| audioterminal | _rach_ I will check phasex and see if I get sound if it is of some help for you. I have never used it on this machine | 09:11 |
| JackWinter | i think it most likely will stay on that interrupt | 09:11 |
| audioterminal | Ok I will try that command JackWinter | 09:11 |
| JackWinter | bit crappy that it shares it with an ata controller | 09:11 |
| JackWinter | but the pid will be different next time you boot | 09:12 |
| JackWinter | you can add the -v flag to better see what the command does | 09:12 |
| audioterminal | maybe that is the problem | 09:12 |
| audioterminal | any way to solve that shared irq first? | 09:12 |
| audioterminal | before I change anything | 09:13 |
| audioterminal | But I have no ata devices here | 09:13 |
| audioterminal | Maybe if I disable the ata device on the motherboard | 09:13 |
| JackWinter | don't think so, but am not sure. maybe it's not used... if you look at cat /proc/interrupts it will show how many times the interrupt has been processed on the cpus. | 09:14 |
| JackWinter | so if you boot and don't use the firewire any count would come from the disk controller | 09:14 |
| audioterminal | Well I have no ATA HDD, no ATA CD or DVD device installed | 09:16 |
| JackWinter | i don't see your system using an ahci interrupt, so my guess is that it's using the older style controllers | 09:16 |
| audioterminal | Maybe the sata controller is set with backwards compatibility mode. I will check and try to change it to sata only | 09:18 |
| JackWinter | or it's a bios setting, so you have connected sata disks, but the disk controllers run in some kind of legacy mode? | 09:18 |
| audioterminal | I will have to reboot, hopefully you will be still be around when I restart the system | 09:19 |
| audioterminal | maybe it is in legacy mode but I should be able to change it | 09:20 |
| audioterminal | I am not sure since I have used many motherboards | 09:20 |
| audioterminal | I do not remember about this one | 09:20 |
| JackWinter | yeah, i'll most likely be around, depends on work...:) | 09:20 |
| audioterminal | I will be back in about 5 minutes and see if anything could be changed at the bios | 09:20 |
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| _rach_ | back | 09:28 |
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| audioterminal | ok JackWinter this is the new output to the irq command | 09:38 |
| audioterminal | http://pastebin.com/ivzFvmZY | 09:38 |
| audioterminal | this old motherboard handle sata hard drives as if they were ata drives I guess | 09:39 |
| audioterminal | The irq 19 is still being shared with that ata_piix | 09:40 |
| JackWinter | audioterminal: you still use the ata driver, see: https://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ata_piix | 09:41 |
| LAbot | Title: Ata piix - ata Wiki (at ata.wiki.kernel.org) | 09:41 |
| JackWinter | well that might not be a show stopper anyways. try changing the priority level of the firewire interrupt and see if things work better | 09:41 |
| audioterminal | yes this motherboard runs | 09:42 |
| audioterminal | SATA devices in IDE mode only | 09:42 |
| audioterminal | too bad | 09:42 |
| JackWinter | also if you cat /proc/interrupts before using the firewire, it might show you that the interrupt aren't used anyways... | 09:42 |
| JackWinter | as you have 3 controllers, you might have the disks on another one | 09:43 |
| audioterminal | please give me the command to change the priority level again | 09:43 |
| audioterminal | I lost it on the reboot. Only good thing I did at reboot was disable on board audio to lighten up the PC if it counts for something | 09:44 |
| JackWinter | as the firewire now is PID 151, run: chrt -f -p 97 151 | 09:44 |
| audioterminal | ok I will run it now | 09:44 |
| JackWinter | i see you also have some kind of usb on irq19, that may and may not be a problem too | 09:45 |
| JackWinter | but the irq will fire and very quickly execution will pass to these threads, so it might be ok them being on the same irq (or not...) | 09:46 |
| audioterminal | That is an external 1gb hard drive but since it is usb i would not use it for ardour sessions | 09:46 |
| audioterminal | I there was a way to isolate the firewire device to one irq | 09:49 |
| JackWinter | is it onboard or a card? | 09:49 |
| audioterminal | Would you know of a way to do that (give the firewire device its own irq before I give a better priority to irq19 | 09:50 |
| audioterminal | what do you refer to when you ask if it is onboar or a card? | 09:51 |
| audioterminal | Do you mean the external USB hard drive or the firewire device? They both are external | 09:56 |
| audioterminal | They are not onboard, the motherboard has onboard audio but I was not using it anyways and I disabled it | 09:57 |
| audioterminal | Some people who use DAWs recomend disableing onboard audio if you use an external audio interface | 09:58 |
| audioterminal | I just disabled the onboard audio when I booted the system this time, but the firewire device is still connected, that is what I will always use | 09:59 |
| audioterminal | I will be right back I will reboot again | 10:01 |
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| JackWinter | if you change the slot that the firewire card is plugged into it will change irq, maybe some slot will give it it's own... don't think disabling the soundcard will change anything at all. though sometimes it might be necessary to disable a device by black listing it's module. on my laptop for instance i have to blacklist the driver for bluetooth as it causes havoc with kernel scheduling. rereading your sentence it appears that the fw controller | 10:09 |
| JackWinter | might be onboard, in that case you could try disabling ide/usb controllers so that the fw is alone on it's irq. but that may or may not be needed... | 10:09 |
| audioterminal | Ok great changing the slot Is something I can do | 10:09 |
| audioterminal | I have a wireless PCI card and the firewire card, maybe if I switch them | 10:10 |
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| audioterminal | what irq would be my wireless card using? | 10:10 |
| audioterminal | Maybe it is having a unique irq | 10:11 |
| JackWinter | looks like it's on 18, which it shares with some usb hub | 10:11 |
| audioterminal | Well, irq 19 is being shared with 3 things | 10:12 |
| JackWinter | i'm guessing based on the processnames "irq/18-rt2800pc" | 10:12 |
| JackWinter | you can most likely get rid of the usb hub if you disable the right usb device in the bios | 10:13 |
| audioterminal | but I need to connect usb pen drives once in a while | 10:13 |
| audioterminal | You have helped me in a great way today because just knowing how to check irqs on linux is a great imporvement for me. I know how to do it on windows and I know how to fix conflicts there but on linux I have never done it | 10:15 |
| audioterminal | On windows the device manager gives you options to switch two optional irq numbers. On linux I have no idea on how to do any thing like that | 10:17 |
| audioterminal | irq 18 is the realtek wifi card | 10:19 |
| JackWinter | do you have more free slots? | 10:20 |
| _rach_ | audioterminal: ok i ve sound on phasex, u just need to load a patch lol, default patch dont produce sound | 10:22 |
| _rach_ | enjoy | 10:22 |
| audioterminal | sorry let me checkif I have free slots | 10:22 |
| audioterminal | _rach_ It has lots of included patches from what I remember on other pc | 10:23 |
| JackWinter | i'm not aware of any way to change the irq number, unless the driver for the device in question has some parameter for it, but looks like ohci_firewire has nothing like that | 10:23 |
| audioterminal | just right-click on the right place on the interface and you will see lots of patches you can choose from | 10:24 |
| audioterminal | sorry last statemente was for _rach_ | 10:24 |
| JackWinter | regarding disabling usb, iirc it looks like you have 5 usb hubs, maybe you can live with 4... | 10:24 |
| audioterminal | Yes I hope they have individual switches on the bios so I can get rid of the right one | 10:25 |
| _rach_ | audioterminal: yes but if u just laucnhn no souand are loaded by default, i search for config it | 10:26 |
| audioterminal | _rach_ phasex is a synth that transforms waveforms, no sound you need to launch. You move the knobs and make your own sounds or load patches made by other people | 10:27 |
| audioterminal | Or at least that is all I know about phasex _rach_ | 10:27 |
| _rach_ | hum | 10:28 |
| _rach_ | i am only in midi mode and i ce sound | 10:28 |
| _rach_ | with system capture out => phasex input | 10:29 |
| _rach_ | masterkeybord out => midi phasex in | 10:29 |
| audioterminal | _rach_ phasex has I think four waveforms, you choose one and move the knobs, then you choose another envelope if you want and mix the two sounds to make a mix of two sounds, you can use up to 4 envelopes at the same time for your patch If I remember well | 10:30 |
| _rach_ | ok , i focus on it | 10:30 |
| _rach_ | ty for the tips mate | 10:31 |
| audioterminal | np _rach_ | 10:31 |
| audioterminal | JackWinter I will reboot and see what I can do to disable the right usb hub | 10:31 |
| audioterminal | I'll be right back | 10:32 |
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| audioterminal | JackWinter there is no way to disable one usb hub on this motherboard without disableing all usb hubs | 10:44 |
| audioterminal | but maybe that can be done on the software part on ubuntu 14.04 wich KXStudio 14.04 is based on | 10:45 |
| audioterminal | Some other bad news for me is that only two pci slots are available, and the one used by the wifi card better stays with that card on | 10:47 |
| audioterminal | because the firewire card is too wide to be next to my video card | 10:48 |
| audioterminal | That would block airflow comming from the system fan, and I know my video card without that airflow becomes unstable | 10:49 |
| audioterminal | so both pci cards must stay the way they are now | 10:50 |
| JackWinter | audioterminal: what does "cat /proc/interrupts" say after some uptime (without using the firewire)? | 10:55 |
| audioterminal | Do you mean unplug the PCI firewire card and check cat /proc/interrupts, or unplug the firewire cord and check cat /proc/interrupts? | 10:57 |
| audioterminal | Do you want me to unplug the firewire pci card or just unplug the firewire audio interface? | 10:58 |
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| JackWinter | no, just boot the computer and don't start jack or anything else that uses the fw interface | 11:00 |
| audioterminal | ok I will restart and give you the output of cat /proc/interrupts | 11:02 |
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| audioterminal | here is the output of cat /proc/interrupts after reboot, with firewire interface conected but not active with jack | 11:08 |
| audioterminal | http://pastebin.com/WzSncSvq | 11:08 |
| audioterminal | I can use usb devices but maybe just not when I use Ardour. Also I have two usb ports on use with my keyboard and mouse but I have two ps2 ports available to get other mouse and keyboard. | 11:11 |
| audioterminal | and get rid of this input set | 11:11 |
| audioterminal | (keyboar and mouse) | 11:12 |
| audioterminal | keyboard and mouse | 11:12 |
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| rghvdberg | anyone tried to sync NoizeMaker lv2 ? trying to sync the lfo in ardour4 but it acts very strange | 11:45 |
| rghvdberg | gonna try it qtractor | 11:45 |
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| rghvdberg | loading Noizemaker as (win32) vst syncing works fine. It doesn't sync when loaded as LV2 | 11:56 |
| rghvdberg | :/ | 11:56 |
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| rghvdberg | where do I file a bug report for this ? | 11:56 |
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| _rach_ | re | 14:11 |
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| parsec2040 | hi is there a broken package | 16:37 |
| parsec2040 | muon wont update | 16:37 |
| parsec2040 | i dont' understand | 16:37 |
| parsec2040 | i have had this problem evrytime i try to run kx studio | 16:37 |
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| parsec2040 | seems muon package has a broken package | 16:48 |
| parsec2040 | sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade | 16:48 |
| parsec2040 | had to run this | 16:48 |
| holstein | had to run what? | 16:52 |
| holstein | sudo apt-get update? i would expect that to update the package cache | 16:53 |
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| parsec2040 | hi yes there is something wrong with a certain package in muon | 17:13 |
| parsec2040 | it cause moun to display a an error | 17:13 |
| parsec2040 | so running what i types overrides the error | 17:14 |
| parsec2040 | im not sure which package is causing the error | 17:14 |
| holstein | what is your error? | 17:14 |
| parsec2040 | and this is on a firsrt install | 17:14 |
| parsec2040 | with md5sum check before burn | 17:15 |
| parsec2040 | to usb | 17:15 |
| parsec2040 | sec | 17:15 |
| parsec2040 | failed to apply chnages | 17:16 |
| parsec2040 | thats the error | 17:16 |
| holstein | what are you trying to do, friend? | 17:16 |
| parsec2040 | the actual broken package doesnt show | 17:16 |
| parsec2040 | it works now | 17:16 |
| parsec2040 | i ran that termina code | 17:16 |
| holstein | ok, so you have no error, then? | 17:16 |
| holstein | you mean, you updated the system? | 17:17 |
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| parsec2040 | dooes runnin moun update manger update the system | 17:17 |
| parsec2040 | excpet whne i ran i it | 17:17 |
| parsec2040 | i got that error | 17:17 |
| parsec2040 | so i used the terminal | 17:17 |
| holstein | parsec2040: the "terminal code" you linked, "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" updates the system | 17:17 |
| parsec2040 | and tha fixed the broken moun | 17:18 |
| holstein | parsec2040: ok.. so, enjoy the non-broken system | 17:18 |
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| parsec2040 | right but that so does running moun software | 17:18 |
| parsec2040 | muon | 17:18 |
| holstein | if muon isnt working, dont use it | 17:19 |
| parsec2040 | so im trying to figure out why runnig the muon update manger cauuses that error but running the update through terminal does not | 17:19 |
| holstein | parsec2040: you stated, you dont have an error any more | 17:19 |
| parsec2040 | well i mean im trying to explain the erro for the community | 17:19 |
| parsec2040 | to be helpful | 17:19 |
| parsec2040 | but ok | 17:20 |
| holstein | parsec2040: there is no error, correct? it is "fixed", now, correct? you applied an update, and its fixed, correct? | 17:20 |
| parsec2040 | for me yes | 17:20 |
| parsec2040 | but what if others run into this | 17:20 |
| parsec2040 | thats what i was concerend about | 17:20 |
| holstein | parsec2040: we cant retro-actively address it, *if* its an issue.. the update seems to have addressed it, so, its "fixed", *if* it was broken | 17:21 |
| parsec2040 | ok | 17:21 |
| holstein | if others "run into it", they can use another update manager.. or, ask and share more details.. etc | 17:21 |
| parsec2040 | which other update manager | 17:22 |
| parsec2040 | i only know muon | 17:22 |
| parsec2040 | with an interface | 17:22 |
| holstein | parsec2040: you used apt, friend | 17:22 |
| holstein | parsec2040: there are *many* gui package managers | 17:22 |
| parsec2040 | ah ok | 17:22 |
| parsec2040 | but what im asking this is this a known problem | 17:22 |
| parsec2040 | if not | 17:22 |
| parsec2040 | but yes it fixed now | 17:23 |
| parsec2040 | was trying to be helpful but if im being a bother ill let it go :) | 17:23 |
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| falktx | next kx iso shouldn't include muon I guess | 17:24 |
| falktx | just synaptic | 17:24 |
| parsec2040 | ya know | 17:24 |
| parsec2040 | it funny you say that flak | 17:24 |
| parsec2040 | falk | 17:25 |
| parsec2040 | ive had nothing but problems with muon for years | 17:25 |
| parsec2040 | it always a terminal | 17:25 |
| parsec2040 | or synaptic that works | 17:25 |
| holstein | i have literally never used muon | 17:25 |
| holstein | i install what i prefer, and use it | 17:25 |
| parsec2040 | what do you recommend for a gui package manager | 17:26 |
| parsec2040 | synaptic | 17:26 |
| parsec2040 | i think that was my mistake | 17:26 |
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| parsec2040 | ill ue synaptic from now on | 17:26 |
| parsec2040 | synaptic is very stable | 17:27 |
| parsec2040 | no, i dont think adding muon to kx studio is a good idea falk | 17:27 |
| falktx | I haven't seen a decent update manager, ever | 17:27 |
| parsec2040 | ok thanx guys | 17:27 |
| falktx | I though muon had potential, but has too many issues | 17:28 |
| parsec2040 | you mean besides the terminal | 17:28 |
| holstein | mint has some nice options "baked in" | 17:28 |
| holstein | a # rating system for updates.. etc | 17:28 |
| ungov_ | Hi, I'm getting this output from cadence when trying to Force Restart Jack from Cadence: http://pastebin.com/q6tju63r | 17:28 |
| ungov_ | Any ideas? | 17:28 |
| holstein | though, i just use sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade | 17:28 |
| holstein | a better question might be, why are you having to force restart? | 17:29 |
| parsec2040 | or does update manager include the synaptic manger when you say no decent manger | 17:29 |
| holstein | synaptic does what it does.. it'll do updates.. if it works for you, it works for you | 17:29 |
| holstein | it'll all be a matter of option, and use case | 17:29 |
| parsec2040 | ok guys | 17:29 |
| parsec2040 | im glllad it not just me | 17:30 |
| parsec2040 | keep up the geat work falk | 17:30 |
| ungov_ | It's weird because I hadn't installed or changed anything... I only rebooted, and now the server status is "Stopped" all the time... | 17:32 |
| holstein | i would address that, and see why jack is not starting.. | 17:32 |
| holstein | could be, you are having some error with broken hardare, or, alsa labels changing.. or a kernel update that "breaks" support for a device | 17:33 |
| holstein | etc.. | 17:33 |
| ungov_ | Well, I was trying with an external interface, but the same happens with the internal card... | 17:33 |
| holstein | if its not configured to use only the internal, though | 17:34 |
| holstein | i think i would try rebooting with only one card.. check the config, and see that its as expected, and go from there | 17:34 |
| ungov_ | Wait, nevermind, it worked with the internal card now... I guess my interface broke | 17:34 |
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| holstein | well, at least you know more about where to look for the issue | 17:35 |
| ungov_ | yes, thanks holstein! | 17:35 |
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| ungov_ | And now my interface worked... weird... | 17:36 |
| ungov_ | Well... | 17:37 |
| holstein | score!. nothing is broken.. | 17:37 |
| ungov | Yay! | 17:38 |
| parsec2040 | hi how do i fix the duplicate sources message? | 17:41 |
| parsec2040 | i get this in terminal with kx studio | 17:41 |
| holstein | i would simply look at my sources, and address duplication | 17:41 |
| parsec2040 | whenever i update kx studio | 17:42 |
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| falktx | meh | 17:48 |
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| _rach_ | back | 17:52 |
| _rach_ | they is a bug on Claudia when creating a new studio ? or i miss something | 17:53 |
| _rach_ | when i create a new, a2j ans j2a dont appear | 17:54 |
| _rach_ | and* | 17:54 |
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| falktx | working as intended | 17:58 |
| falktx | run "a2j -e" manually yourself | 17:58 |
| _rach_ | ok | 17:59 |
| _rach_ | hum | 17:59 |
| _rach_ | http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/screenshots/claudia-qtractor.png i am followind this tuto but ... i have only harware *. | 18:01 |
| _rach_ | when i do a2j -e , i ve only midi bridge | 18:01 |
| _rach_ | no audio | 18:01 |
| _rach_ | plug | 18:01 |
| falktx | a2j -e is for midi only, not audio | 18:07 |
| holstein | it'll route midi to things that make sound, but midi is just that.. | 18:12 |
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| _rach_ | hum | 18:19 |
| _rach_ | ok... | 18:19 |
| _rach_ | so i dont understand why i cant create new studio... when i do that alsa crash and i lust restart jack from cadence. | 18:20 |
| _rach_ | the only way i see, is: retard jack from cadence, open claudia, launch app, rename and save the default studio | 18:21 |
| holstein | how do you know alsa is crashing? is jack crashing? | 18:22 |
| _rach_ | jack dont crash | 18:23 |
| _rach_ | but when i creat a new studio, i ve no sound on youtube for example, i must force restart jack | 18:24 |
| _rach_ | a2j -e do nothin | 18:24 |
| holstein | you shouldnt need "youtube" for your audio production, though | 18:24 |
| holstein | thats going to be involving many more variables.. flash, html5, etc | 18:24 |
| _rach_ | i am reading man a2j_control and other a2j | 18:24 |
| holstein | what would i do? close the web brwosers, and other applciations, open what you need for audio production, and troubleshoot | 18:25 |
| _rach_ | i am trying a tuto | 18:25 |
| _rach_ | for launch qtractor recording firefow at boot | 18:25 |
| holstein | _rach_: sure.. so, use something to save the file locally.. or another machine.. or, ask "youtube" for jack support | 18:25 |
| _rach_ | hum | 18:26 |
| holstein | i would try removing flash, and html5, and *anything* that doesnt promise jack support from the euqation | 18:26 |
| _rach_ | thanks | 18:26 |
| falktx_ | hm, you just need the alsa-audio bridge enabled too | 18:28 |
| falktx_ | they're not enabled by default because it will likely cause some conflicts | 18:28 |
| holstein | or, i suppose, the pulse one.. | 18:28 |
| falktx_ | as holstein when you're making music you'll likely not need the bridges | 18:29 |
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| _rach_ | ok | 18:30 |
| _rach_ | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah ok | 18:32 |
| _rach_ | create new in claudia, add app , then start alsa audio | 18:33 |
| _rach_ | in cadence | 18:33 |
| _rach_ | i think u must focus it on the official tuto | 18:33 |
| _rach_ | http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/Documentation:Manual:simple_claudia_studio here | 18:33 |
| LAbot | Title: KXStudio (at kxstudio.sourceforge.net) | 18:33 |
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| holstein | that youbue doesnt support jack? | 18:34 |
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| holstein | i think, that will be up to youtube to document.. how to work around the product they create | 18:34 |
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| _rach_ | ok thanks for ur help, i need to read more docs | 18:42 |
| _rach_ | :D | 18:42 |
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| parsec2040 | hi i hear no sound focusrite 2i2 | 18:48 |
| holstein | but, you do, with jack, with another interface? is just running with the proper driver for the interface? | 18:50 |
| parsec2040 | no no sound | 18:51 |
| parsec2040 | or in youtube | 18:51 |
| holstein | parsec2040: cool.. i say, unplug the unit, and get audio working.. in the system. dont use flash/html5 youtube, or a web browser to test audio | 18:52 |
| parsec2040 | well it does work with windpws | 18:52 |
| holstein | parsec2040: cool.. try getting it working with linux.. with KXstudio.. with jack, with the internal audio device first, is my suggestion | 18:53 |
| parsec2040 | and ubuntu | 18:53 |
| holstein | sure.. so, now, with jack | 18:53 |
| parsec2040 | internal audio device | 18:53 |
| holstein | parsec2040: sure.. with jack, friend.. is the internal audio device working with jack? | 18:53 |
| parsec2040 | oh so the actual jack interface is the audiointerface | 18:53 |
| parsec2040 | ok | 18:53 |
| parsec2040 | i did not realize jack is integrated with the audio on kx studio | 18:54 |
| holstein | jack is the server that most all audio apps in linux will require | 18:54 |
| holstein | that is the difference, and you will likely do better reducing variables | 18:54 |
| holstein | use the internal audio device that you already know how to use.. | 18:55 |
| holstein | no need to plug a device in, that doenst proimse linux support, and also, learn a new sound system, JACK, at the same time | 18:55 |
| _rach_ | hum i think something bug | 18:58 |
| _rach_ | i open catia and apps, then claudia, .... ok all is nicely plugged | 18:59 |
| _rach_ | i save this studio | 18:59 |
| holstein | i promise, its not filled with bugs | 18:59 |
| holstein | the linux audio ecosystem | 18:59 |
| _rach_ | i re-open the studio => blank page | 19:00 |
| holstein | there *are* lots of differences. and, of course, some bugs.. | 19:00 |
| _rach_ | i understand | 19:02 |
| _rach_ | brb i reboot | 19:02 |
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| parsec2040 | no no sound | 19:05 |
| parsec2040 | only in testing | 19:05 |
| parsec2040 | i get the audio test melody | 19:05 |
| holstein | what jack application are you testing audio with? i suggest audacious with the jack driver, or something simple like yoshimi | 19:06 |
| parsec2040 | cadence | 19:09 |
| parsec2040 | device, in, and out are hw usb | 19:10 |
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| parsec2040 | input channel o output 1 | 19:10 |
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| _rach_ | back | 19:11 |
| holstein | parsec2040: use an application, as i suggested, *not* flash, or html5.. something like yoshimi | 19:12 |
| holstein | route it, and test | 19:12 |
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| audioterminal | JackWinter Sorry about the usb mouse and keyboard, I was sure they were ps2 and forgot to check that. But I want to thank you because thanks to you I cleared usb hub3 which is shared with the firewire device and I recorded a 4 minute midi track at 24bit/96k with only one xrun, compard to 50 or more xruns before you helped. And that without the extra HDD | 19:15 |
| _rach_ | ok, something is wrong whith claudia , perhaps liked with the refresh option or something | 19:17 |
| _rach_ | linked* | 19:17 |
| _rach_ | in catia the refresh work well | 19:18 |
| _rach_ | when i change something (close/open apps etc) | 19:18 |
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| parsec2040 | working | 19:21 |
| parsec2040 | good troubleshooting tip about using a standalone midi synth | 19:21 |
| _rach_ | gg | 19:24 |
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| _rach_ | ok | 19:33 |
| _rach_ | i ve test seesion record with Qjack, it work well | 19:34 |
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