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| aeLiXihr | hi there, i am on Trisquel 7 and i have already installed Ardour3 and Musescore 2.0 would like to add Cadence, Carla, Catia, Claudia and probably Rosegarden should i do that with repositories? http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/Repositories i searched some on the net but i cannot figure out how it works... could someone put a link to a tutorial or so, please? thank you! | 09:14 |
| LAbot | Title: KXStudio : Repositories (at kxstudio.sourceforge.net) | 09:14 |
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| aeLiXihr | hi there, i am on Trisquel 7 and i have already installed Ardour3 and Musescore 2.0 would like to add Cadence, Carla, Catia, Claudia and probably Rosegarden should i do that with repositories? http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/Repositories i searched some on the net but i cannot figure out how it works... could someone put a link to a tutorial or so, please? thank you! | 19:32 |
| LAbot | Title: KXStudio : Repositories (at kxstudio.sourceforge.net) | 19:32 |
| holstein | aeLiXihr: there wont be a gujide for "trisquel" specifically | 19:33 |
| holstein | .g kxstudio repositories | 19:33 |
| thelonius | holstein: http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/Repositories | 19:33 |
| LAbot | Title: KXStudio : Repositories (at kxstudio.sourceforge.net) | 19:33 |
| holstein | you can add the sources to debian, or ubuntu.. assuming enough of trisquel is "compatible", you can use it | 19:34 |
| holstein | but, i suggest going with debian or ubuntu base | 19:34 |
| aeLiXihr | holstein: thank you for that is it not debian or ubuntu based? | 19:37 |
| holstein | aeLiXihr: i dont know.. you'll have to ask the creators of the project | 19:37 |
| holstein | you many need to look at why you are using it, and re-think, maybe, dual booting | 19:38 |
| aeLiXihr | it is libre and i like it | 19:38 |
| aeLiXihr | now i use kx | 19:38 |
| aeLiXihr | it works too but since i updated my sound is broken | 19:39 |
| aeLiXihr | so now i may as well try and fix trisquel to work with my soundcard | 19:40 |
| holstein | sure.. but, you are assuming the same for all of what is in the kxstudio repos.. | 19:40 |
| aeLiXihr | and i would like to add the apps mentioned above | 19:40 |
| holstein | anyways, its easy to try.. add as you would a PPA, or a debian source.. *if* the trisquel base is either ubuntu or debian | 19:40 |
| aeLiXihr | but in the link you gave (i think) one can only add everything | 19:41 |
| holstein | and, the kxstudio sources dont need anything that is excluded for legal reasons | 19:41 |
| holstein | if you want to "cherry pick" the sources, you can. or, build/install your own | 19:42 |
| holstein | or, run a live instance, or dual boot.. | 19:42 |
| holstein | lots of options.. | 19:42 |
| aeLiXihr | okay, so i should add the ppa and than apt-get the stuff i need? | 19:43 |
| holstein | i cant say what you "should" do, other than, looking at why you are doing what you are doing, and not making any assumptions | 19:43 |
| holstein | libre, or free, or whatever, is not the only reason things would be removed from a source | 19:44 |
| holstein | those things could be missing from trisquel, things that the sources need and expect.. the kxstudio sources | 19:44 |
| holstein | what im saying is, if i wanted to run a stable production environment, i would download what kxstudio supports, and add the sources | 19:44 |
| holstein | if i wanted to be "free" or whatever lines up with my convictions about runing trisquel, i would research each part, and install individually, what i need/want | 19:45 |
| holstein | .g kxstudio sources trisquel base | 19:45 |
| thelonius | holstein: http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/Repositories | 19:45 |
| LAbot | Title: KXStudio : Repositories (at kxstudio.sourceforge.net) | 19:46 |
| holstein | could be, its completely untested, or doesnt work.. | 19:46 |
| holstein | you can ask in #opensourcemusicians and see if anyone is running trisquel | 19:47 |
| aeLiXihr | makes sense, thanks | 19:49 |
| aeLiXihr | and yes i did: http://trisquel.info/en/forum/anyone-using-trisquel-music-production#comment-69841 | 19:50 |
| LAbot | Title: anyone using Trisquel for music production? | Trisquel GNU/Linux - Run free! (at trisquel.info) | 19:50 |
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| holstein | lol | 19:51 |
| holstein | even musix is not "in line" with what you are talking about | 19:51 |
| holstein | just simply getting stock ardour3 or 4 with wav support is not in line | 19:51 |
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| aeLiXihr | i never tried musix | 19:52 |
| holstein | its old | 19:52 |
| holstein | its not what you want | 19:52 |
| holstein | its just like ubuntustudio, basically | 19:52 |
| holstein | you dont *have* to install drivers, etc | 19:53 |
| holstein | you dont *have* to run the trisquel base to have a "libre" system.. though, you can never have that, unless you are on a bios level with all your hardware.. checking firmware's, etc | 19:54 |
| aeLiXihr | i tried dynabolic once, the GUI did not work lost interest | 19:54 |
| holstein | it would be quite challenging/impossible to have a complete libre system.. but, if you want, thats commendable.. and i wish you luck | 19:54 |
| aeLiXihr | i am not hardcore | 19:54 |
| holstein | not hardcore what? libre? | 19:54 |
| holstein | if not, then, just use stock kxstudio.. or stock AVlinux | 19:55 |
| aeLiXihr | but i try as libre possible | 19:55 |
| holstein | sure..and if you want, go for it | 19:55 |
| holstein | its just, you are introducing things oustide the repo | 19:55 |
| holstein | aeLiXihr: *all* of these tools are in the stock debian and ubuntu repos.. so, why are they not in the trisquel ones? | 19:55 |
| aeLiXihr | are they? | 19:56 |
| aeLiXihr | cadence too? | 19:56 |
| holstein | you *can* install debian, and *not* install any "non libre" drivers.. and just add the sources, for kxstudio, if you want | 19:56 |
| holstein | and have full support, and a much "better", appropriate starting poing | 19:56 |
| holstein | point* | 19:56 |
| holstein | aeLiXihr: check and see, friend.. | 19:58 |
| holstein | the question is, why is ardour and jack *not* in the trisquel repos? | 19:58 |
| aeLiXihr | yes thanks fft :) | 19:58 |
| aeLiXihr | they are | 19:58 |
| holstein | and why add things back to it? to "break" its core reason for existing | 19:59 |
| holstein | aeLiXihr: so, whats the issue? | 19:59 |
| holstein | aeLiXihr: you should have stock jack, and ardour.. and whatever plugins.. rose garden.. | 19:59 |
| holstein | you literally add/build cadence, and/or claudia.. or, just use something else,, and you are good to go | 19:59 |
| holstein | or, just add the kxstudio sources, and see if you get breakage.. | 19:59 |
| aeLiXihr | Cadence, Carla, Catia, Claudia | 20:00 |
| holstein | sure.. *add* themn | 20:00 |
| holstein | you can add them manually, or "cherry-pick" the deb's | 20:00 |
| holstein | i wouldnt want to add sources for *a lot* of applications, that are not officially supported | 20:00 |
| holstein | the kxstudio sources add a lot.. | 20:00 |
| holstein | and, you only want, and arguably need those 4 things "extra" | 20:01 |
| aeLiXihr | need not, but the are nice and libre | 20:01 |
| aeLiXihr | they | 20:01 |
| holstein | if they are "libre", then ask trisquel to include them | 20:02 |
| falktx | hey | 20:02 |
| holstein | falktx should know if that base is supported/supportable.. could work "out of the box", AFAIK | 20:02 |
| falktx | "The KXStudio repositories support all Debian versions since Jessie and Ubuntu 14.04 or above." | 20:03 |
| falktx | says so in the first line | 20:03 |
| aeLiXihr | hai falftx | 20:03 |
| holstein | right.. but, its not debian/ubuntu | 20:03 |
| holstein | AFAIK, they have their own sources, that dont have all of what you may be expecting | 20:03 |
| aeLiXihr | just tried to install cadence: Unable to locate package cadence | 20:04 |
| aeLiXihr | so aparently it is not there | 20:04 |
| holstein | you'll need to update the cache | 20:05 |
| aeLiXihr | i will investigate further, thanks | 20:05 |
| holstein | sudo apt-get update after adding the sources | 20:05 |
| aeLiXihr | i mean in their sources | 20:05 |
| falktx | sigh | 20:06 |
| falktx | is trisquel based on debian? | 20:06 |
| falktx | if yes, then it will work | 20:07 |
| holstein | AFAIK, its a "libre" version of it | 20:07 |
| falktx | whatever, just another variant | 20:07 |
| holstein | but, they also strip things from the stock repos.. | 20:07 |
| aeLiXihr | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trisquel risquel (officially known as Trisquel GNU/Linux[4]) is a Linux-based operating system derived from Ubuntu | 20:07 |
| LAbot | Title: Trisquel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org) | 20:07 |
| holstein | should work, agreed.. but, there can be differences, since, its not using the same base, or base sources | 20:07 |
| falktx | do PPAs work in trisquel? | 20:07 |
| holstein | they can break, vs ubuntu | 20:08 |
| aeLiXihr | okay i probably should change plan and stay with stock kx | 20:08 |
| falktx | no need | 20:08 |
| holstein | since, the ppa can be "expecting" ubuntu, but, getting trisquel, with less/different packages | 20:08 |
| falktx | packages in the kxstudio repos are self-contained | 20:08 |
| falktx | holstein: works just the same | 20:08 |
| holstein | should be totally fine, then ^ | 20:09 |
| falktx | I find it weird that a libre distro uses ubuntu though. why not raw debian? | 20:09 |
| falktx | but anyway | 20:09 |
| falktx | aeLiXihr: how did you enabled the repos? and when? | 20:09 |
| falktx | the repo setup changed 3 days ago | 20:09 |
| aeLiXihr | so i can add the ppa and apt-get install the apps i like | 20:09 |
| falktx | you have to install a new deb now | 20:09 |
| falktx | no adding PPAs | 20:09 |
| falktx | install the deb file | 20:10 |
| aeLiXihr | falktx: eh, i did not yet | 20:10 |
| falktx | it's in the page linked here 3 times now | 20:10 |
| holstein | should be at the link ^ | 20:10 |
| holstein | yup ;a0 | 20:10 |
| falktx | .g kxstudio repos | 20:10 |
| thelonius | falktx: http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/Repositories | 20:10 |
| LAbot | Title: KXStudio : Repositories (at kxstudio.sourceforge.net) | 20:10 |
| falktx | posted 4 times now :) | 20:10 |
| falktx | aeLiXihr: are those instructions hard to understand? | 20:10 |
| aeLiXihr | i posted it first :) | 20:10 |
| holstein | you'll just have to try them, and see.. should be fine, since, they are "self contained" | 20:10 |
| aeLiXihr | yes, i dod not understand how i can install just the 4 apps | 20:11 |
| falktx | you can't just install stuff | 20:11 |
| falktx | you need to enable the repos first | 20:11 |
| holstein | aeLiXihr: you shouldnt.. you'll add the .deb's which add the sources.. then, you install with the package manager of your choice | 20:11 |
| falktx | the apps are inside the repo | 20:11 |
| aeLiXihr | ah, thank you that makes it clear! | 20:12 |
| * falktx though that was self-explanatory | 20:13 | |
| falktx | ie, the page http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/Repositories:Applications says at the top: | 20:13 |
| LAbot | Title: KXStudio : Repositories : Applications (at kxstudio.sourceforge.net) | 20:13 |
| falktx | "This section lists the applications available in the repositories." | 20:13 |
| falktx | repositories being the kxstudio ones | 20:13 |
| aeLiXihr | so with this i do not install apps yet?: # Download package file wget https://launchpad.net/~kxstudio-debian/+archive/kxstudio/+files/kxstudio-repos_8.1.0~kxstudio1_all.deb # Install it sudo dpkg -i kxstudio-repos_8.1.0~kxstudio1_all.deb | 20:13 |
| falktx | aeLiXihr: that's for enabling the repos | 20:14 |
| aeLiXihr | okay so i can do that and than later install the 4 apps? | 20:14 |
| aeLiXihr | after | 20:14 |
| falktx | is that not clear? | 20:15 |
| falktx | I though I said that already | 20:15 |
| aeLiXihr | it is probably self-explanatory but i am a musician not a computer guy :) | 20:15 |
| aeLiXihr | thank you, that helps a lot! | 20:15 |
| aeLiXihr | i will not copy this chat into a text file and do it tomorrow | 20:16 |
| aeLiXihr | imean now | 20:16 |
| falktx | ...but I mean | 20:17 |
| falktx | there's only 1 step you need to do to enable the repos - install the deb file listed on that page | 20:17 |
| falktx | that's it | 20:17 |
| falktx | then go to whatever you use to manage your packages and get the updates + any new software you need | 20:18 |
| aeLiXihr | i just did not get that install did not install that is all :) | 20:18 |
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| yann-kaelig | yep. | 20:32 |
| yann-kaelig | I was trying to build carla from source, but with a failure due to the statics lib for fltk compilation, I cahnge to dynamic libs, this line NATIVE_PLUGINS_LIBS += $(shell fltk-config --use-images --ldflags) | 20:35 |
| yann-kaelig | and build finished Carla running | 20:35 |
| distrozapper | aeLiXihr, Hi! Seems you have got your carillion running again? | 20:39 |
| distrozapper | aeLiXihr, trisquel 7 reports to be based on ubuntu 14.04, so in principle follwing the instructions on http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/Repositories for Debian/Ubuntu users should enable you to install additional "KXStudio goodies" like cadence etc., as falktx and holstein mentioned. | 20:48 |
| LAbot | Title: KXStudio : Repositories (at kxstudio.sourceforge.net) | 20:48 |
| falktx | yes, I think he got it | 20:49 |
| distrozapper | OK | 20:49 |
| aeLiXihr | :D | 20:49 |
| aeLiXihr | sorry guys | 20:50 |
| aeLiXihr | on the other hand, most of my colleagues would not switch to GNU/Linux because of having to go ""under the hood"" prety often... | 20:52 |
| aeLiXihr | most are on macs | 20:52 |
| aeLiXihr | distrozapper: yes the carilion works again witj kx | 20:53 |
| aeLiXihr | with | 20:53 |
| aeLiXihr | funny things have been going on... | 20:53 |
| distrozapper | aeLiXihr, going "under the hood" is a big step for beginners, but is a true way to get the knowledge to know how things work. But I can understand your point of view: You just want to create sound. | 21:06 |
| distrozapper | aeLiXihr, I used to zap through all distros long time to find the usability of my preference. | 21:08 |
| distrozapper | aeLiXihr, hence distrozapper ;) | 21:10 |
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| aeLiXihr | distrozapper: i tried a few too | 21:18 |
| distrozapper | aeLiXihr, trisquel is new to me, I didnt try it yet. If you like to stick to it, I could install it too just to be able to reproduce errors you encounter. | 21:19 |
| aeLiXihr | i like it, and i like the idea of free software | 21:19 |
| aeLiXihr | it has a bit more "mainstream"apps included: gedit/kate nautilus/dolphin gnome2/kde | 21:21 |
| aeLiXihr | for me it has a more "natural" feel | 21:21 |
| aeLiXihr | but kx is fine too | 21:21 |
| aeLiXihr | the only thing i realy dislike is kde | 21:22 |
| aeLiXihr | but i will get used to it | 21:23 |
| aeLiXihr | distrozapper: but you may like it | 21:23 |
| aeLiXihr | Trisquel i mean | 21:23 |
| distrozapper | aeLiXihr, I got used to KDE since ..hmm..SuSE Linux 6...1997? ;) | 21:25 |
| distrozapper | indeed I am used to KDE | 21:25 |
| aeLiXihr | distrozapper: :) than i was still pottering around with MSWindows... | 21:27 |
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| aeLiXihr | i installed the deb file, can i do a: sudo apt-get install -y cadence carla catia claudia rosegarden | 21:33 |
| distrozapper | aeLiXihr, I liked linux mint 13 cinnamon (on ubuntu 12.04) very much for its 99% kxstudio compatibility, but there were certain desktop itches which made me change to "pure" kxstudio ISO distro at last. | 21:33 |
| distrozapper | aeLiXihr, and I fear trisquel will inhere similar itches. | 21:33 |
| distrozapper | aeLiXihr, first do a : sudo apt-get update | 21:34 |
| aeLiXihr | distrozapper: ok, thanks :) | 21:35 |
| distrozapper | to update your software catalog (which is now happily extended with kxstudio software catalog) ;) | 21:35 |
| aeLiXihr | yes i forgot | 21:36 |
| aeLiXihr | i see | 21:36 |
| aeLiXihr | this is so cool with linux | 21:37 |
| aeLiXihr | i mean this comunity | 21:37 |
| aeLiXihr | seems like all is there... | 21:38 |
| aeLiXihr | yes it is | 21:38 |
| aeLiXihr | thanks again you all | 21:38 |
| aeLiXihr | i will have a beer now | 21:38 |
| distrozapper | me too :) | 21:39 |
| aeLiXihr | distrozapper: cheers man | 21:40 |
| distrozapper | cheers! | 21:40 |
| distrozapper | aeLiXihr, by the way: no problem to install gnome2/nautilus onto a kde/dolphin centered distro. You just have to agree it installs lots of gnome dependencies (gnome packages). | 22:03 |
| distrozapper | aeLiXihr, It is just like under windows or mac: The more packages you install, the more updates you need. | 22:06 |
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| distrozapper | aeLiXihr, my timezone is Europe/Berlin. I will install trisquel 7 coming weekend to accompany you. | 22:33 |
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| distrozapper | falktx, do you think it worth testing kxstudio repos on trisquel 7? | 23:11 |
| falktx | no, same thing as 14.04 | 23:11 |
| falktx | "it just works" | 23:11 |
| falktx | laters | 23:12 |
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| distrozapper | falktx, OK | 23:12 |
| distrozapper | oops? | 23:13 |
| distrozapper | Have a nice night all | 23:15 |
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