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| munk | falktx: can you compile the latest frescobaldi with static libs like you did to ms? | 10:25 |
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| falktx | no | 10:26 |
| falktx | kde libs cannot be used static | 10:26 |
| munk | does it use kde? | 10:27 |
| falktx | yes | 10:28 |
| munk | pity | 10:28 |
| munk | can you make light blue interface for carla? | 10:28 |
| falktx | like what? | 10:29 |
| munk | soft blue like air or plasma | 10:30 |
| munk | without white, black and grey | 10:31 |
| * falktx likes black | 10:33 | |
| falktx | if your theme is that blue, you can set in the options to use the system colors | 10:33 |
| munk | falktx: rack remains black | 10:40 |
| falktx | of course | 10:42 |
| munk | tiring for vision | 10:43 |
| falktx | I say the same about about white colors | 10:44 |
| falktx | black is less tiring, you can use it for more time | 10:44 |
| falktx | that of course implies *all* the system has a dark theme | 10:44 |
| falktx | 1 single app being black and then moving to white apps will be worse, I can agree on this | 10:45 |
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| munk | both white and black are the extremities | 11:08 |
| munk | that's why i propose blue light | 11:09 |
| munk | #ardour | 11:11 |
| munk | does yoshimi not support notes off messages? i have short notes in ms but yoshimi plays each note till the end of sample | 11:40 |
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| superfragilistic | Hi, does someone know which way used to build the wine package for distribution in kxstudio? | 11:55 |
| falktx | ? | 11:55 |
| falktx | do you need an update? | 11:55 |
| superfragilistic | yes, I want build 1.7.40 with rt | 11:56 |
| superfragilistic | but I have some issues | 11:56 |
| falktx | you can enable the kxstudio-repos sources and do "apt-get source wine-rt", then rebuild | 11:56 |
| superfragilistic | and that's all? | 11:57 |
| * falktx wonders if the new release requires new wine-mono | 11:57 | |
| falktx | superfragilistic: yes | 11:57 |
| superfragilistic | but in repos 1.7.34 | 11:57 |
| falktx | oh, also "sudo apt-get build-dep wine-rt" | 11:57 |
| falktx | let me see if I can update it | 11:57 |
| JackWinter | falktx: a headsup. i know you aren't all that interested in wine, but a version of the wine-rt patch just got added to the new wine-staging project. maybe at some point we can drop wine-rt as wine-staging seems to become quite popular with many distros | 11:59 |
| superfragilistic | What is wine-staging> | 11:59 |
| superfragilistic | ? | 11:59 |
| JackWinter | i'm gonna test it on my own system for a while, and if it works out then i'm gonna drop wine-rt from archlinux | 12:00 |
| falktx | .g wine-staging | 12:00 |
| thelonius | falktx: http://www.wine-staging.com/ | 12:00 |
| LAbot | Title: Wine Staging (at www.wine-staging.com) | 12:00 |
| superfragilistic | cool | 12:00 |
| falktx | I'm not sure that's it... | 12:00 |
| JackWinter | superfragilistic: it's a project that tries to collect patches that the wine prj itself for one or other reason don't want to add | 12:00 |
| falktx | .g winehq wine-staging ubuntu | 12:00 |
| thelonius | falktx: https://github.com/wine-compholio/wine-staging/wiki/Installation | 12:00 |
| falktx | ahah | 12:01 |
| superfragilistic | Does it include rt patch? | 12:01 |
| superfragilistic | I didn't find any info about that | 12:01 |
| superfragilistic | Rt-patch really helps with performance | 12:01 |
| falktx | really? | 12:02 |
| falktx | wine-rt changes are not enabled by default | 12:02 |
| JackWinter | it does as from 1.7.40, released yesterday i think | 12:02 |
| superfragilistic | yes | 12:02 |
| JackWinter | but uses different environment variables | 12:02 |
| superfragilistic | Yea, I know | 12:02 |
| superfragilistic | When I enable this variables applications work better | 12:03 |
| superfragilistic | Almost I use one | 12:03 |
| superfragilistic | :D | 12:03 |
| superfragilistic | wineasio with reaper | 12:03 |
| JackWinter | winestaging uses STAGING_RT_PRIORITY_BASE and STAGING_RT_PRIORITY_SERVER | 12:04 |
| superfragilistic | I will try it | 12:04 |
| JackWinter | but the support just got included with 1.7.40, so if your distro don't have that yet, then... | 12:04 |
| superfragilistic | There is have some plans about updating wine in the kxstudio repository? | 12:04 |
| superfragilistic | >JackWinter, as I understood the rt support will be in 1.7.40 wine-staging? | 12:05 |
| falktx | well, you have wine-staging now | 12:06 |
| JackWinter | i'm gonna see if i can get wineasio added to wine-staging too. am in the process of rewriting it, but don't have enough time. so maybe another year before i'm done, don't really know... but would be nice to have all that stuff in one place | 12:06 |
| falktx | they have packages for all ubuntu versions | 12:06 |
| JackWinter | superfragilistic: yes, as of 1.7.40 it ought to be there. i'd reccomend to use maybe STAGING_RT_PRIORITY_BASE=55 and STAGING_RT_PRIORITY_SERVER=60 | 12:07 |
| superfragilistic | ok, thanks, I will wait | 12:07 |
| JackWinter | like that the important wine stuff runs with preference to disk i/o etc | 12:07 |
| JackWinter | and falktx can drop support for wine-rt | 12:08 |
| falktx | JackWinter: nah, I still need some wine version in the repos | 12:08 |
| falktx | the weekly releases are just too much to keep up | 12:09 |
| JackWinter | biweekly normally, sometimes 3 weeks, but yeah it's somewhat of a pain to keep up with | 12:09 |
| falktx | when I see some major fix (audio-related) I'll update it again | 12:10 |
| superfragilistic | I just want the new version wine for one reason, some plugins in Reaper still broken after 1.7 release | 12:11 |
| superfragilistic | hah | 12:11 |
| superfragilistic | It's often happens with wine | 12:11 |
| superfragilistic | and maybe this plugins will be work after some update | 12:12 |
| falktx | heh, that's very little benefit for the amount of work it takes | 12:13 |
| falktx | most of time the plugins will work the same, sometimes even worse | 12:13 |
| superfragilistic | in consideration of .net sources became opened | 12:14 |
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| superfragilistic | and often in change logs of wine versions I see fixes for directx | 12:15 |
| JackWinter | doubt that many plugins use directx, but you never know. hope is the last thing to die they say :) | 12:16 |
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| superfragilistic | because that buggy plugins have crash on gui load | 12:16 |
| JackWinter | i think this is winestaging too: https://launchpad.net/~pipelight/+archive/ubuntu/daily | 12:17 |
| LAbot | Title: pipelight-daily : “Pipelight Dev Team” team (at launchpad.net) | 12:17 |
| JackWinter | ought to have the rt stuff | 12:17 |
| superfragilistic | this plugins properly work with simple reaper plugin interface | 12:18 |
| superfragilistic | but not with native | 12:18 |
| JackWinter | well i know that wine-staging makes a lot of games work that won't work with normal wine, but it also breaks some stuff. in any case i think it's worth investigating if you need wine support for things | 12:21 |
| munk | do i need to unnstall regular wine before installing staging? | 12:22 |
| falktx | aren't you on gentoo? | 12:23 |
| munk | yes on gen2 | 12:23 |
| JackWinter | munk: not nescessarily but i'd imagine that depends on the packaging. you could install wine in /usr and wine-staging in /opt for instance | 12:23 |
| falktx | munk: those ppas do not apply to you | 12:23 |
| JackWinter | or just build staging from source and run it out of the build dir | 12:24 |
| falktx | I doubt munk can do that... | 12:24 |
| munk | i will install via regular portage after uninstalling the regular wine | 12:24 |
| JackWinter | yeah, well just giving some alternatives. maybe gentoo has some overlays to handle that | 12:25 |
| JackWinter | in any case yes you can, but it will depend on how it's packaged/installed | 12:25 |
| munk | they say its present in main rep At the time of writing, the most recent version of wine in the portage tree is =app-emulation/wine-1.7.33. For this version, staging is built in by selecting the "pipelight" USE flag. | 12:26 |
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| superfragilistic | Ok, I'm a little bit confused about wine rt support. Do I need wait for staging-1.7.40 in staging repo or I coudl install it from piplight repos? | 12:32 |
| JackWinter | superfragilistic: i'd suggest asking in #wine-staging | 12:39 |
| superfragilistic | ok, thanks | 12:39 |
| JackWinter | i just submitted the patch to them, and they changed it a little and stuck it in. on archlinux i have a script to build it as a package, and i also have scripts to build it from source and to run it without installing, but that won't help you | 12:40 |
| JackWinter | don't really know all that much about the prj, except that their intent is to collect and further develop patches that for one reason or other hasn't been added to wine itself | 12:40 |
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| munk | does drumgizmo support only sf2? i canot load sfz into it | 17:35 |
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| falktx | hmm carla-vst crashes when removed from renoise | 18:22 |
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| falktx | another bug squashed | 18:46 |
| falktx | carla-vst runs happy in renoise once again | 18:46 |
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| spectromas | falktx: you fixed it? | 19:01 |
| falktx | yes | 19:04 |
| falktx | updated pushed | 19:04 |
| spectromas | great, will try it later | 19:04 |
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| spectromas | have you tried calf in it in renoise? | 19:04 |
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| spectromas | yeah confirmed fixed for the closing issue, calf guis still crash for me though. Strangely only happens wit the carla-vst, not standalone | 19:07 |
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| falktx | hm , gone | 19:29 |
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| AutoStatic | falktx_: Ran into some issues with the Carla Rack LV2 plugin recently | 21:08 |
| AutoStatic | When I insert it in a Qtractor MIDI track, add some plugins and try to remove one everything blocks | 21:09 |
| falktx_ | AutoStatic: how recent was this? | 21:10 |
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| AutoStatic | Today | 21:12 |
| AutoStatic | Updated Carla git | 21:12 |
| falktx_ | let me see if I can reproduce | 21:12 |
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| falktx_ | rncbc: do you remember an issue where plugins would output too much info to stdout and qtractor would block? | 21:14 |
| rncbc | falktx_: yep. it used to occur with linuxsampler | 21:15 |
| falktx_ | so it's fixed | 21:15 |
| AutoStatic | Ahhhh, ok | 21:16 |
| falktx_ | AutoStatic: ignore this, I though this issue was still in there | 21:16 |
| AutoStatic | Then I probably know what the issue is | 21:16 |
| falktx_ | must be something else | 21:16 |
| rncbc | falktx_: not quite. it still happens on some systems, i dummo why. but still recommend to turn off stdout capture (to messages) | 21:16 |
| falktx_ | you do? | 21:16 |
| AutoStatic | I think I had this issue with Qtractor 0.6.4 | 21:16 |
| AutoStatic | Or was it fixed back then already? | 21:17 |
| rncbc | AutoStatic, falktx_: there were recent reports on 0.6.5 that it's still hoggin' | 21:17 |
| rncbc | AutoStatic: try turning off stdout capture, or run a debug build (stdout is hard-coded off) | 21:19 |
| falktx_ | rncbc: btw, I have an issue with qtractor + carla | 21:20 |
| falktx_ | rncbc: qtractor doesn't allow to save unless I do some action. changing stuff in carla-lv2 and can't save now :( | 21:21 |
| AutoStatic | Ah +1 on that one | 21:21 |
| AutoStatic | And thanks for the stdout tip, I'll disable it | 21:21 |
| AutoStatic | And update to 0.6.6 on that particular machine | 21:22 |
| falktx_ | is kx up to date? | 21:22 |
| falktx_ | hm yes, good | 21:22 |
| rncbc | falktx_: what are you changing in carla-lv2 that qtractor is not aware of? | 21:23 |
| falktx_ | adding and removing plugins | 21:23 |
| falktx_ | that state is internal to the plugin | 21:23 |
| falktx_ | (to carla-lv2) | 21:23 |
| falktx_ | rncbc: perhaps we can make an lv2 extension for this. to tell the host something internally in a plugin has changed. | 21:24 |
| rncbc | falktx_: yeah right. qtractor only gets dirty (enable save) when some parameter changes | 21:24 |
| rncbc | falktx_: otherwise you might mute/unmute a track as a workaround | 21:25 |
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| falktx_ | AutoStatic: I can't reproduce the bug. what plugins are you adding+removing? | 21:26 |
| rncbc | falktx_: maybe not quite an extension per se, but an designated lv2 atom event message wil do fine | 21:27 |
| falktx_ | that implies the plugin has a event-out port | 21:27 |
| rncbc | falktx_: doesn't carla-lve has one??? | 21:27 |
| rncbc | lv2 | 21:27 |
| falktx_ | carla-lv2, not yet, I got lazy and didn't implement midi out | 21:28 |
| falktx_ | carla-vst does have midi-out, it was easier to do | 21:28 |
| falktx_ | lv2 atom events are a bit tricky... :S | 21:28 |
| rncbc | falktx_: well, it's quite different than the transport info anyway | 21:29 |
| rncbc | it's NOT | 21:29 |
| falktx_ | most hosts don't support midi-out on plugins (as in midi-filters) | 21:30 |
| rncbc | falktx_: its more like an output atom port which is (might) also used as midi-out | 21:30 |
| falktx_ | yes, I know. just got a bit lazy since most hosts won't do nothing with it | 21:31 |
| rncbc | falktx_: anyway it's an optional feature (dirty-flag-notification w/e) | 21:31 |
| AutoStatic | falktx_: Nekobi internal | 21:31 |
| AutoStatic | But let me update Qtractor first on that machine | 21:32 |
| munk | any jack-mixer users? | 21:56 |
| AutoStatic | Nope :( | 22:18 |
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