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| tczern | hello | 00:07 |
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| tczern | I am trying to make a USB Dongle work in wine, following this page: http://wiki.winehq.org/USB, but those instructions are for buidling wine from source. Can I patch a wine installation that I installed with Synaptic? | 00:08 |
| holstein | what i would do is, just copy what i need off the stick | 00:09 |
| holstein | if you are trying to use some key dongle, with a windows applciation, that can be an entirely different issue | 00:10 |
| holstein | the stick is just a filesystem, which, you can mount in to the wine directory.. but, i have a feeling, theres more to it that that | 00:10 |
| tczern | it's the elicenser from Steinberg, I got the software to work, LSUSB shows the USB Dongle, but the software still does not see it | 00:11 |
| holstein | right.. i wouldnt expect that to work | 00:11 |
| holstein | regardless, you wont need the actual stick, if it will work | 00:12 |
| tczern | ggrrrmmmppffararrgghh | 00:12 |
| holstein | i would just pulll what is on there off | 00:12 |
| holstein | no doubt, linux can mount and use usb sticks | 00:12 |
| tczern | no idea who to do that | 00:12 |
| holstein | also steinberg can support linux | 00:12 |
| holstein | as a person who has personally pounded my head against that wall *many* times, let me try and save you some time | 00:12 |
| tczern | the key is from syncrosoft | 00:13 |
| holstein | nothing is broken | 00:13 |
| holstein | its not made or intended to do what you are trying to do | 00:13 |
| tczern | I know | 00:13 |
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| holstein | it'll be damn right hacky, and time consuming, best-case, to try and force these things to do what they are not supposed to | 00:13 |
| tczern | it's like a hack what I want to do, maybe I should just contact syncrosoft?! | 00:14 |
| holstein | sure, but, they will say what i just did | 00:14 |
| holstein | nothing is broken, they dont support what you are doing | 00:14 |
| holstein | its not a support issue that the thing is not working as it was not intended.. though, that can be challenging | 00:14 |
| holstein | what did i do? i just let it go.. i just gave my windows stuff away | 00:14 |
| tczern | I am for sure not the first one who is trying to do this | 00:15 |
| holstein | surely | 00:15 |
| holstein | but, there will be no help, necessarily, with stregth in numbers. still, nothing is broken | 00:15 |
| tczern | nah, I paid $400 for that suff, so I want to use it, or could I sell it??! | 00:15 |
| holstein | i get that, but the price still doesnt dictate it'll work in linux | 00:15 |
| holstein | its just not supported.. nothing about linux is preventing it | 00:15 |
| tczern | how does hardware detection in wine work? | 00:16 |
| holstein | i get it.. i had *real* money in software and hardware | 00:16 |
| holstein | tczern: who knows.. | 00:16 |
| holstein | wine can get some of it right, or who knows | 00:16 |
| holstein | the company can choose to support any part of it.. linux, or wine. if they dont, then, it may not work | 00:16 |
| tczern | lol, those guys who program it?! | 00:16 |
| holstein | tczern: whomever creates and supports it | 00:16 |
| holstein | linux is not preventing anything from working | 00:17 |
| tczern | thats' why I like it | 00:17 |
| tczern | holstein holstein ... Schleswig? | 00:18 |
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| holstein | im sure thats where my family comes from | 00:19 |
| tczern | he, it's nice there | 00:19 |
| tczern | tryin crossover now | 00:22 |
| holstein | i wouldnt expect crossover to work either | 00:22 |
| holstein | since, its not promised you get crossover support | 00:22 |
| holstein | wine is usually newer.. | 00:22 |
| holstein | worth a try , though.. but, for me, i find, its always a hassle | 00:23 |
| tczern | I don't expect anything, they have a free demo | 00:23 |
| holstein | i want native code, and promised support | 00:23 |
| tczern | ha ha ha | 00:23 |
| holstein | "First class citizen" as the buzz word goes | 00:23 |
| holstein | so, thats what i buy, and support, and use | 00:23 |
| tczern | I used the last 10 years OSX | 00:26 |
| holstein | sure.. i have used OSX | 00:26 |
| holstein | i still maintain it | 00:27 |
| tczern | I don't see that Value anymore, PC parts are so dirt cheap | 00:27 |
| holstein | OSX is the only value | 00:28 |
| holstein | the hardware has specialistic ports, as well | 00:28 |
| holstein | if you need them, you need them. i dont | 00:28 |
| tczern | true for me too | 00:29 |
| falktx | usb dongles DO NOT work on wine | 00:35 |
| falktx | and will never work | 00:35 |
| tczern | k | 00:35 |
| tczern | I found out | 00:35 |
| falktx | they require kernel-level hardware access, which can't be done | 00:35 |
| tczern | crossover? | 00:35 |
| falktx | you didn't understand | 00:35 |
| falktx | everything that is not native can't have kernel-level access | 00:36 |
| tczern | k | 00:36 |
| tczern | , thanks | 00:36 |
| falktx | not wine, not emulated software, not VMs | 00:36 |
| falktx | even if it did by some magic, it would be a terrible security hole | 00:37 |
| falktx | brb | 00:37 |
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| tczern | oh well, I'll keep a Win Box then | 00:38 |
| tczern | or a mac mini, too bad it doesn't have a quadcore anymore | 00:42 |
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| holstein | yeah.. i did that | 01:13 |
| holstein | i had a g4 mac and a few windows boxes setting around | 01:14 |
| holstein | the inconvenience, for me, of dealing with them, was not worth using the things that i needed, so , i sold or gave them away | 01:14 |
| holstein | but, i did a *very* slow migration to linux | 01:14 |
| tczern | eClutter | 01:14 |
| tczern | that's probaly what I will do | 01:15 |
| holstein | i ran mepis on a little laptop for a year before i moved my audio production machine | 01:15 |
| tczern | I like linux a lot, feels so otherworldly | 01:15 |
| holstein | i knew that, for me, if i had windows, i would use it | 01:15 |
| holstein | so, i installed *only* linux on that laptop.. and did *everything* on it | 01:15 |
| holstein | if there was something i needed to do, or had to open, or install, i learned to do it there | 01:16 |
| holstein | just as i had, for years, in other OS's.. i forced myself to learn | 01:16 |
| holstein | stopped trying to make linux talk to the windows PC's and made the windows and mac boxes all do ssh | 01:16 |
| tczern | I tried windows 7, it's nice, but I have an audio interface that doesn't work with it, I hate to throw things away just because of a driver issue, I was surprised to see that this thing works on linux | 01:16 |
| holstein | eh.. sometimes, its not worth the "investment" of time | 01:17 |
| holstein | for me, its fun tinkering, and i make sure its not my production rig im tinkering with, and i have realistic expecations | 01:17 |
| holstein | i truly, personally, felt like i had spent a bunch of money on a new studio, when i finally got everything migrated over | 01:18 |
| holstein | but, YMMV... | 01:18 |
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| daeavelwyn | hey guys ! just for fun, here is my work in progress with reaper on linux : http://public.harann-university.org/dae-orchestral01_episode2.mp4 | 02:04 |
| daeavelwyn | I now can use reverb to link different intruments and voices :) | 02:05 |
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| falktx | daeavelwyn: fyi new builds https://sourceforge.net/projects/kxstudio/files/Releases/carla/testing/ | 10:37 |
| LAbot | Title: KXStudio - Browse /Releases/carla/testing at SourceForge.net (at sourceforge.net) | 10:37 |
| falktx | mostly lv2 fixes though | 10:37 |
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| emillo | hi all! question: can the kxstudio repositories be used safely with debian jessie? | 13:24 |
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| falktx | yes | 13:50 |
| falktx | this pc is debian jessie | 13:50 |
| falktx | $ lsb_release -a | 13:51 |
| falktx | No LSB modules are available. | 13:51 |
| falktx | Distributor ID: Debian | 13:51 |
| falktx | Description: Debian GNU/Linux 8.0 (jessie) | 13:51 |
| falktx | Release: 8.0 | 13:51 |
| falktx | Codename: jessie | 13:51 |
| falktx | $ uname -a | 13:51 |
| falktx | Linux falkTX-PC 3.18-7.dmz.1-liquorix-amd64 #1 ZEN SMP PREEMPT Debian 3.18-8 (2015-02-13) x86_64 GNU/Linux | 13:51 |
| emillo | thanks falktx | 13:51 |
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| emillo | falktx: I have a strange behaviour in carla: the plugin gui opens but it has an undecorated window in top left corner plus a separate window of the same dimensions: http://i.imgur.com/HLRCBpE.png | 16:43 |
| falktx | emillo: old version. have you tried carla-git yet? | 16:50 |
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| emillo | not yet | 17:00 |
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| tczern | where can I find the latest version of Ardour that is free, without subscription and an upgrade to 403? | 19:14 |
| holstein | tczern: i would just use what is in the repos | 19:17 |
| holstein | tczern: they are *all* free.. you can get the source for the latest, and build it all you want | 19:18 |
| holstein | falk typically builds the latest, and puts it in the ppa's he supports | 19:18 |
| tczern | vers 403 that comes with KX is not that good they are saying, it does crash actullay very easy | 19:18 |
| holstein | well, you need to have backups regardless | 19:19 |
| holstein | *all* hard drives fail | 19:19 |
| holstein | just plan for that, and you are fine.. otherwise, use what version you like | 19:19 |
| tczern | one other question, in Rosegarden, I can record any midi cc# but I don't see how I can edit them, for example cc23 or cc24 | 19:19 |
| tczern | well Hello Mr Holstein :-) | 19:20 |
| holstein | .g rosegaden support | 19:20 |
| thelonius | holstein: http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/ | 19:20 |
| LAbot | Title: Rosegarden: music software for Linux (at www.rosegardenmusic.com) | 19:20 |
| tczern | I am trying to find that part in the manual, yep | 19:20 |
| holstein | might not be in the manual | 19:21 |
| holstein | i usually ask in #opensourcemusicians ..there are some RG folk there | 19:22 |
| holstein | i dont use RG | 19:22 |
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