| JohnnyL | type f pointer to a pointer of kthis! :) | 00:02 |
|---|---|---|
| distrozapper | JohnnyL, OK, damn... where can I download the version of Independence you are trying to run? | 00:03 |
| JohnnyL | distrozapper: http://pro.magix.com/en/independence/independence-free.1013.html | 00:04 |
| LAbot | Title: Independence Free > Independence > Music Creation > MAGIX Pro (at pro.magix.com) | 00:04 |
| falktx | int* kthis = new int[1]; | 00:05 |
| falktx | *kthis = 0xd00d; | 00:05 |
| falktx | int f = 0xf00d; | 00:05 |
| falktx | int res = f**kthis; | 00:06 |
| distrozapper | falktx, | 00:06 |
| JohnnyL | int f = 0xf08d; | 00:06 |
| distrozapper | hmm.. | 00:06 |
| distrozapper | loop= | 00:06 |
| JohnnyL | nice university 0xf08d is. ;P | 00:07 |
| distrozapper | hehe | 00:07 |
| JohnnyL | 0xf04d | 00:07 |
| JohnnyL | may be better. | 00:07 |
| JohnnyL | foad the toad. | 00:08 |
| distrozapper | damn, falktx has crashed | 00:08 |
| falktx | you though so! | 00:08 |
| falktx | I had a signal handler for SIGSEGV | 00:08 |
| falktx | I can recover from crashes! | 00:08 |
| falktx | better install one for SIGHUP now just in case | 00:09 |
| JohnnyL | memset(0x0000,0,sizeof(long long)) | 00:09 |
| JohnnyL | ; | 00:09 |
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| JohnnyL | Remeber windows 3.1 where you can delete itself from file manager. joy. | 00:10 |
| falktx | killall -SIGKILL JohnnyL | 00:10 |
| JohnnyL | lol | 00:10 |
| falktx | dead :| | 00:10 |
| JohnnyL | falktx: i need that. | 00:10 |
| JohnnyL | Prolly the only thing to kill my anxiety! ;) | 00:10 |
| falktx | you need some asmr | 00:11 |
| JohnnyL | i don't need ass and don't call me mr! :p | 00:12 |
| falktx | I guess you don't know what asmr is | 00:12 |
| falktx | JohnnyL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzUxsSCR13E | 00:13 |
| LAbot | Title: 12 Days of Role Plays: Day 5 - Binaural Cranial Nerve Exam - ASMR - Soft Spoken, Personal Attention - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) | 00:13 |
| falktx | watch it, you'll feel better when it's over :) | 00:13 |
| JohnnyL | falktx: relaxing. | 00:20 |
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| JohnnyL | falktx: @10:00 she gets her freak on!!hhahaha! | 00:25 |
| JohnnyL | jello p40n | 00:27 |
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| * distrozapper keeps being resistant against smoke bomb https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzUxsSCR13E | 00:47 | |
| LAbot | Title: 12 Days of Role Plays: Day 5 - Binaural Cranial Nerve Exam - ASMR - Soft Spoken, Personal Attention - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) | 00:47 |
| distrozapper | falktx, have a nice night! CU | 00:49 |
| falktx | gnight! | 00:49 |
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| JohnnyL | i try to start carla i get this text and nothing more: | 04:35 |
| JohnnyL | http://pastebin.com/axrVX8ED | 04:35 |
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| JohnnyL | my audio interface is not showing up in qjackctl Input/Output device. | 05:40 |
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| sacarlson | is dssi-vst still usable in ubuntu 14.04 64bit? seems the only package I see has :i386. is there any other better ways to get windows vsti dll to run on linux these days? | 05:48 |
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| falktx | yes, use carla | 06:05 |
| falktx | http://linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=13280 | 06:06 |
| LAbot | Title: LinuxMusicians View topic - Windows VST2/3 plugins in Carla (revisited) (at linuxmusicians.com) | 06:06 |
| sacarlson | falktx oh cool I already have carla installed didn't know it could run windows vsti from linux | 06:06 |
| sacarlson | falktx I'll check out that link also | 06:07 |
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| sacarlson | ok I checked out that link and find that my repository didn't have some of the packages, I was able to install carla-bridge-wine64 and carla from ubuntu 14.04 64bit. will that be all I need? definitly worth a try | 06:14 |
| falktx | what is missing? | 06:16 |
| sacarlson | these packages aren't seen in synaptic : carla-git , carla-bridge-win32, carla-bridge-wine32, carla-bridge-win64 | 06:17 |
| sacarlson | am I midding a repository? | 06:17 |
| sacarlson | missing | 06:17 |
| falktx | well, the kxstudio repos are needed for those of course | 06:18 |
| falktx | if you have things updated those should be installable | 06:18 |
| sacarlson | I have at least one of the kxstudio repos ppa installed | 06:18 |
| falktx | at least one? | 06:18 |
| falktx | did you follow the proper steps? | 06:18 |
| sacarlson | I'll have to check to see what ppa I have now | 06:18 |
| falktx | .g kxstudio repos | 06:18 |
| thelonius | falktx: http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/Repositories | 06:18 |
| LAbot | Title: KXStudio : Repositories (at kxstudio.sourceforge.net) | 06:18 |
| falktx | there's only 1 proper way to enable the repos, and it's documented on that page | 06:19 |
| falktx | if you used anything else, you did it wrong | 06:19 |
| sacarlson | falktx ok perfect I'll read that one | 06:19 |
| falktx | please follow the steps in there, and it should work | 06:19 |
| sacarlson | yes I recall reading this page now but I will verifty that I have all that I see there now | 06:21 |
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| sacarlson | I see I do have the kxstudio repositories added but also seems there are kxstudio ppa from launchpad also, I think I might have more repositories than I should have. I'll provide a link to what I now see in my repository list: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9893638/ | 06:44 |
| falktx | some of those are supposed to be "lucid" not "trusty" | 06:51 |
| falktx | afaik if you follow the steps as-is, and *do not deviate*, it will work | 06:52 |
| falktx | trying to "fix" things will only break them | 06:52 |
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| sacarlson | ok I'll just delete them all and rerun the instructions and try to doing a complete removal reinstall of most the apps in the collection and see how that goes | 07:32 |
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| sacarlson | ok I've now removed all my repositorys that had anything to do with kxstudio and ran the instructions from your link. I now see the missing carla plugins in synaptic that I guess were in the lucid repo that I didn't have | 08:44 |
| sacarlson | I didn't know you could mix lucid and trusty repository. isn't that going to cause a problem? | 08:45 |
| sacarlson | this is the updated copy of the present apt repository: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9894869/ so far the reinstalled cadence and claudia are working fine. haven't tried carla yet | 08:47 |
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| JohnnyL | can someone please help me to get qjackctl and ardour3 to work again? | 18:28 |
| holstein | JohnnyL: i say, dont do that | 18:29 |
| holstein | JohnnyL: do them independently | 18:29 |
| holstein | no need to do that all at once | 18:29 |
| holstein | just get jack running stable.. test with something simpler.. yoshimi, audacious.. etc.. | 18:29 |
| holstein | then, move to a3 and jack | 18:29 |
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| sacarlson | I have now done some simple test of my install of carla but only with some native installed lv2 and dssi synth that work just fine. I have two dll windows plugins that failed to be seen. is there any known to work windows vsti dll synth that work that I can test to see that it works? | 18:46 |
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| sacarlson | I'm loving claudia as a session manager but it fails to setup some jackd stuf I need like with guitarx that I did a work around using jmess in scripts that I add to the session start that completes what is needed in these small number of cases. Why can't it just do what jmess does and save it all? | 18:53 |
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| JohnnyL | what is the level just below alsamixer? It's not recognizing my interface like it used to. | 19:34 |
| sacarlson | JohnnyL: bellow alsamixer? that is as low as it goes I would think, but be sure to select the hardware device you want to play with | 19:35 |
| JohnnyL | it's not showing up in the f6 list. | 19:35 |
| JohnnyL | it used to though months back. | 19:36 |
| JohnnyL | i think i had to perform some sort of modprob to get it to work | 19:36 |
| JohnnyL | sacarlson: ^ | 19:36 |
| sacarlson | qasmixer is what I use that is a gui to alsa mixer | 19:36 |
| JohnnyL | i am under debian | 19:37 |
| JohnnyL | this is not good. | 19:38 |
| JohnnyL | i'm kind freaking out | 19:38 |
| sacarlson | JohnnyL: I run a debian dirivitive Mint that I've never had to manualy modprobe to get sound working | 19:38 |
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| sacarlson | JohnnyL: is the device seen in lspci or lsusb ? | 19:38 |
| JohnnyL | sacarlson: lsusb sees it. | 19:39 |
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| JohnnyL | shows up as midiman | 19:39 |
| sacarlson | oh it's not a sound card just a midi device? | 19:39 |
| falktx | ...is it on? | 19:41 |
| JohnnyL | yes, the laptop keeps it on. | 19:41 |
| JohnnyL | do i have to plug in the laptop because of power constraints? | 19:41 |
| JohnnyL | sacarlson: it's an audio interface. | 19:42 |
| sacarlson | only thing I see by that name is something like this http://www.amazon.com/MIDIMAN-MIDISPORT-Multiplatform-MIDI-Interface/dp/B00006I5HD | 19:43 |
| JohnnyL | i had installed a newer kernel. maybe that borked my setup? | 19:44 |
| JohnnyL | i have an maudio mtrack plus interface. | 19:44 |
| sacarlson | JohnnyL: yup that will break things like that kernel upgrades | 19:45 |
| sacarlson | JohnnyL: oh must be this one http://www.m-audio.com/products/view/m-track#.VMfq_13hntQ | 19:47 |
| LAbot | Title: M-Audio - M-Track (at www.m-audio.com) | 19:47 |
| JohnnyL | sacarlson: like that but different. | 19:49 |
| JohnnyL | i am selecting the old kernel at bootup. | 19:49 |
| JohnnyL | shit everythng rides on music production on this machine! | 19:50 |
| sacarlson | well what I normaly do is look for the lsusb numbers that come out and see what other people are having problems with them | 19:50 |
| sacarlson | with google | 19:50 |
| JohnnyL | sacarlson: ok | 19:50 |
| sacarlson | just use the older kernel it should still be installed, at grub boot you can boot the older one | 19:51 |
| sacarlson | unless you upgraded the entire system from scratch | 19:51 |
| designbybeck_ | Greetings all. I am trying to help a guy, who is not tech savvy, add Lyrics and Chords to MIDI files that he purchased from http://hittraxmidi.com | 19:57 |
| LAbot | Title: MIDI File | Backing Tracks | Free MIDI download | MIDI Karaoke | MIDI Hits, United States (at hittraxmidi.com) | 19:57 |
| designbybeck_ | He's using a MERISH 2 MIDI device, the guides show to use Cakewalk and GNMIDI, I'm just looking for an Open Source way to do it. Any ideas? | 19:58 |
| designbybeck_ | I've opened the files in MuseScore, RoseGarden, and Aria Maesota, I just don't know how to work with MIDI files | 19:58 |
| sacarlson | designbybeck_: I found this http://kodi.wiki/view/Karaoke | 20:00 |
| LAbot | Title: Karaoke - Kodi (at kodi.wiki) | 20:00 |
| sacarlson | labot ha only beat ya ba 2 secounds | 20:01 |
| LAbot | sacarlson: Error: "ha" is not a valid command. | 20:01 |
| sacarlson | oh it's a bot | 20:01 |
| designbybeck_ | uh...no no sacarlson not XBMC/Kodi... we are trying to edit the MIDI files itself, so that he can play it back on his MERISH 2, which has a screen and shows lyrics, chords and controls the playback of the midi | 20:01 |
| designbybeck_ | ha | 20:02 |
| designbybeck_ | don't sass the bot | 20:02 |
| designbybeck_ | ....and I do use Kodi for my home media needs ;) | 20:02 |
| designbybeck_ | I just don't know how to edit a midi file | 20:02 |
| JohnnyL | sacarlson: i have selected the one one. | 20:11 |
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| sacarlson | JohnnyL: one one? | 20:12 |
| JohnnyL | sht sorry | 20:12 |
| JohnnyL | i mean't to say i selected the original working kernel. | 20:13 |
| JohnnyL | sacarlson: this looks interesting:http://joegiampaoli.blogspot.com/2011/06/m-audio-fast-track-pro-for-debian-linux.html | 20:16 |
| LAbot | Title: Joe Giampaoli: Howto 24 bit M-Audio Fast Track Pro in Debian Linux with RT-Preemtible Kernel (at joegiampaoli.blogspot.com) | 20:16 |
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| sacarlson | JohnnyL: oh the old one | 20:19 |
| sacarlson | JohnnyL: cool you going to buy me one too? | 20:20 |
| JohnnyL | sacarlson: buy you what? | 20:21 |
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| JohnnyL | (minus compiling the kernel) | 20:23 |
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| sacarlson1 | does anyone here play on jamulus or at least tried it? to jam online over the internet | 20:26 |
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| sacarlson | test | 20:27 |
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| sacarlson | is there better tools than jamulus that's free to music jam online? | 20:29 |
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| sacarlson | wow it's late here 3:33am time for some sleep. it's been fun nice to have met yall and thanks falktx for your help. if you need any help testing any of your new creations, I'll be happy to help | 20:34 |
| falktx | focus in on carla right now | 20:35 |
| falktx | the more bug reports the better | 20:35 |
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| designbybeck_ | falktx, can you point me in the right direction to add chords and lyrics to a midi file to use in MERISH 2 boards? | 20:37 |
| sacarlson | oh ok I have your new one installed but failed to get windows dll to work. I just need a link to a known working vsti dll so I can know that the ones I have are bad | 20:37 |
| designbybeck_ | falktx, I'm looking at Aria Maestosa, but I don't see a spot or how to add lyrics | 20:37 |
| falktx | don't ask me... | 20:38 |
| falktx | BUT musescore seems to be the most advanced classic sequencer | 20:38 |
| designbybeck_ | ah | 20:39 |
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| sacarlson | falktx so do you have a name of a windows synth that you know works on your carla host? | 20:39 |
| falktx | all of them? | 20:40 |
| sacarlson | falktx: no just one | 20:40 |
| falktx | I'm yet to find one that works on wine (like reaper) but doesn't work on carla | 20:40 |
| sacarlson | so I have a reference of a working windows dll, I can provide you a link of the one that failed for me | 20:40 |
| falktx | sacarlson: I like IL harmless, but it's not free | 20:40 |
| falktx | sacarlson: does it work on reaper? or other windows apps in wine? | 20:41 |
| sacarlson | oh and free | 20:41 |
| falktx | it might be that it doesn't work on wine at all | 20:41 |
| sacarlson | reaper in linux? | 20:41 |
| falktx | for those plugins there's nothing I can do | 20:41 |
| falktx | reaper-windows version | 20:41 |
| sacarlson | no I don't have windows | 20:41 |
| sacarlson | I can maybe try it in virtualbox | 20:41 |
| falktx | sacarlson: the idea is that, if a plugin works in a wine app, it will work in carla | 20:42 |
| sacarlson | oh in wine | 20:42 |
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| sacarlson | got ya | 20:42 |
| falktx | I'm yet to find a plugin that isn't this case | 20:42 |
| falktx | sacarlson: anyway, good free synth. I guess Crystal and Synth1 | 20:42 |
| JohnnyL | maybe i sht cd boot kxstudio? | 20:42 |
| sacarlson | so I can run reaper in wine? cool | 20:42 |
| JohnnyL | debian is not very friendly to me. | 20:43 |
| falktx | sacarlson: if you want to help testing, Linux LV2s would be better | 20:43 |
| JohnnyL | shit I need usb because my cd is broken | 20:43 |
| sacarlson | ok I've seen that crytal synth I'll give that a try also | 20:43 |
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| sacarlson | I really want falktx lv2's you want me to provide a list of linux lv2 synth that work on it? I can do that | 20:45 |
| JohnnyL | falktx: what you say i boot kxstudio do you think it'll find my maudio interface? | 20:45 |
| falktx | sacarlson: there's meta-packages for that. just install kxstudio-meta-audio-plugins-lv2 | 20:46 |
| falktx | JohnnyL: you don't have to ask to try stuff, it's all free :) | 20:47 |
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| sacarlson | falktx: oh cool will do | 20:47 |
| JohnnyL | free if your time is worthless. | 20:47 |
| falktx | would you prefer to pay for kxstudio? | 20:48 |
| JohnnyL | if it works maybe | 20:48 |
| falktx | nothing's stopping you.. ;) | 20:48 |
| holstein | it works here | 20:48 |
| holstein | you have a hardware issue.. | 20:48 |
| holstein | your hardware creator *can*, and is welcome to get linux/kxstudio and support it, properly | 20:48 |
| JohnnyL | holstein: no the unit is new. i changed the configuration. | 20:48 |
| JohnnyL | holstein: it *did* work on this machine. | 20:48 |
| holstein | JohnnyL: im not talking about the age of the unit.. or its configuration | 20:48 |
| JohnnyL | i upgraded the kernel.. but have been selecting the old one. | 20:49 |
| holstein | they *didnt* promise you linux support | 20:49 |
| holstein | all of linux is free and open, if they wanted to support it, they can, and are welcome | 20:49 |
| holstein | and falktx is not doing anything to prevent them from supporting kxstudio, for example | 20:49 |
| holstein | they are welcome to.. but, they dont, so, it can be challeging.. and seem like something is "broken".. but, its actually all working as advertised | 20:49 |
| JohnnyL | holstein: i think i should boot off kstudio from a usb. althought setting the usb to boot on this machine is flaky. linux breaks at the level of 1 byte change. nothing but frustration and wasted time here. | 20:50 |
| holstein | the end result for *anyone* running an operating system they are not intended to run with hardware like that can be challenging | 20:50 |
| holstein | JohnnyL: boots fine here | 20:50 |
| JohnnyL | holstein: can u mod the usb once it's been loaded? | 20:50 |
| JohnnyL | or would it be .iso only? | 20:51 |
| holstein | i think you can stap back a few steps and really get to what the issue is | 20:51 |
| holstein | JohnnyL: you can mod what you like.. nothing about linux is hiding form you | 20:51 |
| holstein | but, you shouldnt need to | 20:51 |
| JohnnyL | holstein: alsamixer doens't see my interface anymore. | 20:51 |
| holstein | and i suggest you dont.. i would try the live iso to remove your current installation from the equation | 20:51 |
| holstein | JohnnyL: ok | 20:51 |
| JohnnyL | holstein: good idea! | 20:51 |
| holstein | JohnnyL: as i suggested earlier, isolate and test.. | 20:52 |
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| holstein | the liive iso tests your current install vs stock live iso | 20:52 |
| JohnnyL | ok | 20:52 |
| holstein | moving the USB hardware to another machine tests the motherboard, and usb | 20:52 |
| JohnnyL | shit i need a flash drive now. | 20:52 |
| holstein | taking another audio device, like the instarnal audio device, and testing jack/audio checks the system audio | 20:52 |
| JohnnyL | any models suggested under linux. | 20:52 |
| JohnnyL | i have a usb flash but it doens't boot on this machine. | 20:53 |
| holstein | JohnnyL: *all* manufactures are free to get linux | 20:53 |
| holstein | linux is free.. its not preventing any or all manufacturers from supporting it | 20:53 |
| holstein | its a mis-step to just expect things to magically work | 20:53 |
| holstein | think of it this way.. | 20:53 |
| sacarlson | JohnnyL: you can boot an iso from your hard disk if you have grub2 installed | 20:53 |
| JohnnyL | sacarlson: ah ok | 20:53 |
| JohnnyL | not sure if grub2 is installed | 20:54 |
| sacarlson | JohnnyL: you should be able to upgrade to grub2 on debian if you don't already have it | 20:54 |
| holstein | a team of experts work for literally years to make sure windows works on hardware.. testing troubeshooting, and making sure things work | 20:54 |
| holstein | you take that on yourself when your urn linux.. since its not supported | 20:54 |
| holstein | but, its not "linux"'s responsibility.. ther is no "linux" like that | 20:55 |
| JohnnyL | holstein: u r preaching to the converted. integratation in linux is loose, while programming modules is tight. they are reversed. | 20:55 |
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| sacarlson | falktx: first error seen with the install of you meta package Errors were encountered while processing: | 20:58 |
| sacarlson | /var/cache/apt/archives/linuxsampler-lv2_1.0.0+svn2593-1kxstudio3_amd64.deb | 20:58 |
| sacarlson | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) | 20:58 |
| falktx | it prints more than that | 20:58 |
| sacarlson | falktx: yes but all the other packages looked to install ok | 20:59 |
| falktx | did you have some previous linuxsampler package? | 20:59 |
| sacarlson | Preparing to unpack .../kxstudio-meta-audio-plugins-lv2_5.9.24_amd64.deb ... | 20:59 |
| sacarlson | Unpacking kxstudio-meta-audio-plugins-lv2 (5.9.24) ... | 20:59 |
| sacarlson | Processing triggers for man-db (2.6.7.1-1ubuntu1) ... | 20:59 |
| sacarlson | Errors were encountered while processing: | 20:59 |
| sacarlson | /var/cache/apt/archives/linuxsampler-lv2_1.0.0+svn2593-1kxstudio3_amd64.deb | 20:59 |
| sacarlson | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) | 20:59 |
| falktx | from tangostudio/dreamstudio perhaps...? | 20:59 |
| JohnnyL | can u mod the .iso after it's on your hard drive or usb? | 21:00 |
| sacarlson | falktx: yes I did have a linuxsampler already installed | 21:00 |
| sacarlson | so I should unload that first | 21:00 |
| falktx | sacarlson: yeah, then there were conflicts | 21:00 |
| sacarlson | ? | 21:00 |
| sacarlson | ok | 21:00 |
| falktx | sacarlson: so a "sudo apt-get install -f" and it should solve itself | 21:00 |
| falktx | JohnnyL: you can make changes persistent if you use a usb | 21:01 |
| sacarlson | falktx: ok ya I did the -f | 21:01 |
| falktx | using the usb-creator tool | 21:01 |
| holstein | JohnnyL: no.. its not "loose".. its either promised, or not | 21:01 |
| holstein | it can be.. | 21:01 |
| holstein | i suggested earlier, *if* a kernel update is what you think caused this issue, which is plausible, try booting the older one in the menu | 21:02 |
| holstein | have you tried that? | 21:02 |
| holstein | JohnnyL: you can mod literally anything you like.. though, again, you shouldnt need to | 21:02 |
| JohnnyL | yes in it now. | 21:02 |
| sacarlson | falktx: nope the sudo apt-get install -f also fails : Errors were encountered while processing: | 21:02 |
| sacarlson | /var/cache/apt/archives/linuxsampler-lv2_1.0.0+svn2593-1kxstudio3_amd64.deb | 21:02 |
| sacarlson | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) | 21:02 |
| falktx | sacarlson: then remove the package it conflits with | 21:03 |
| sacarlson | I'll see if I can force remove the linuxsampler | 21:03 |
| sacarlson | ok | 21:03 |
| falktx | it should either be linuxsampler or liblinuxsampler | 21:03 |
| holstein | the live iso supported the hardware, so, *if* it was supported before, then it should be supported again.. a "known-good" environment.. if its not working as it did, with the live iso, then, when i witness that, i test the hardware, since its a known-good environment that is not working | 21:03 |
| JohnnyL | is there anything preventing other stuff not working that would under debian or ubuntu | 21:04 |
| sacarlson | dam this also fails sudo apt-get -f purge linuxsampler | 21:04 |
| sacarlson | I think I have to delete some files from /var so I can purge it | 21:05 |
| falktx | sacarlson: try this: | 21:05 |
| falktx | sudo apt-get install linuxsampler/lucid | 21:06 |
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| JohnnyL | i really hope i can boot off this usb. | 21:06 |
| holstein | JohnnyL: hope? | 21:07 |
| sacarlson | falktx: same E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). | 21:07 |
| holstein | JohnnyL: hope wont do it, friend.. computers dont work on hope | 21:07 |
| holstein | .g plop boot | 21:07 |
| sacarlson | tried with -f also fails | 21:07 |
| thelonius | holstein: http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager/ | 21:07 |
| LAbot` | Title: Plop / Elmar Hanlhofer - Documentation / Manual / Examples - Free Boot Manager, builtin usb driver, native usb, boot different operating systems, cdrom, usb, freeware, option rom bios (at www.plop.at) | 21:07 |
| JohnnyL | it'd be nice to have a config just for music as linux is o fragile being monolithic and all. | 21:07 |
| holstein | ^ i use that to boot USB on machine that only boot CD | 21:07 |
| JohnnyL | s/o/so | 21:07 |
| holstein | JohnnyL: its not fragile here | 21:07 |
| falktx | sacarlson: go with the "dpkg -r <pkg>" route then | 21:07 |
| JohnnyL | holstein: unlike window the more you tinker with linux the easy it is to break. | 21:08 |
| holstein | its bullet proof.. because i purchase with linux support in mind, and test myself, top to bottom.. isolating and troubleshooting, realistically with "known-good" scnarios | 21:08 |
| holstein | JohnnyL: no, its not | 21:08 |
| holstein | JohnnyL: i *dont* "tinker" with my audio production rig | 21:08 |
| holstein | its not for that | 21:09 |
| holstein | its for audio production.. if i want to tinker, i do it with live iso's.. or another partition on another hard drive | 21:09 |
| JohnnyL | <Monty Python> oh, i'm sorry this is the argument room insn't it? no it's the contradiction room...no it isn't. | 21:09 |
| JohnnyL | ;) | 21:09 |
| holstein | i plan for total failure of the hard drive, which *is* going to happen, and i have no fear, or worry.. | 21:09 |
| sacarlson | falktx: that worked sudo dpkg -r linuxsampler ; but still can't install it | 21:10 |
| JohnnyL | holstein: yeah and thats a beautiful thing no to do. | 21:10 |
| JohnnyL | s/no/not | 21:10 |
| holstein | its just simply not true, JohnnyL .. tinkering with *anything* can break it.. its not linux specific | 21:10 |
| falktx | sacarlson: pastebin the full output please | 21:10 |
| JohnnyL | sorry my masturbation hand is growing tired. | 21:10 |
| holstein | i can quickly break windows "tinkering' with it.. or my phones.. | 21:10 |
| holstein | i can set up scenarios which make it perfectly safe to tinker with *any* of those | 21:11 |
| sacarlson | falktx: of the attempted install? | 21:11 |
| sacarlson | sudo apt-get install linuxsampler | 21:11 |
| sacarlson | Reading package lists... Done | 21:11 |
| sacarlson | Building dependency tree | 21:11 |
| sacarlson | Reading state information... Done | 21:11 |
| sacarlson | You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these: | 21:11 |
| sacarlson | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 21:11 |
| sacarlson | kxstudio-meta-audio-plugins-lv2 : Depends: linuxsampler-lv2 but it is not going to be installed or | 21:11 |
| sacarlson | linuxsampler-lv2-32chan but it is not going to be installed | 21:11 |
| sacarlson | E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). | 21:11 |
| holstein | when i get a phone, for example, i will typically get 2 of them, and tinker with the other.. and i have a backup.. i dont want to tinker with, and break my only phone.. | 21:11 |
| JohnnyL | ha we used to go into windows and delete windows through file manager, oh what joy. | 21:11 |
| falktx | sacarlson: don't paste directly here please, use a paste service | 21:11 |
| falktx | sacarlson: like kxstudio.sf.net/paste | 21:11 |
| sacarlson | that was it | 21:12 |
| falktx | sacarlson: anyway, try installing linuxsampler-lv2 now | 21:12 |
| sacarlson | ok | 21:12 |
| holstein | JohnnyL: if you have a proper backup, that wont matter.. since, that hard drive containing windows willl eventually do that same thing. | 21:12 |
| JohnnyL | so just use dd? | 21:12 |
| holstein | JohnnyL: for backup? thats for each person to decide. what needs backed up, how, and how often | 21:13 |
| holstein | and, how easy it needs to be | 21:13 |
| holstein | for example, i dont backup audio sessions off-site.. so, i lose them if the house burns down | 21:13 |
| JohnnyL | dd if=kx.iso of=/dev/sdb | 21:13 |
| JohnnyL | ? | 21:13 |
| holstein | JohnnyL: if thats enough for you, do it | 21:13 |
| holstein | there are no rules.. just, your stuff, and a lack of frustration when the hard drive fails, as all of them do | 21:13 |
| sacarlson | falktx: fails the same http://paste.ubuntu.com/9904454/ | 21:14 |
| falktx | sacarlson: ah, you need to remove liblinuxsampler | 21:14 |
| falktx | I was right | 21:14 |
| holstein | i have a complete backup system i can drop in.. the computer could literally catch on fire, i could toss it out in the yard, put the backup machine in place, and get back to work.. | 21:14 |
| falktx | [21:03] <falktx> it should either be linuxsampler or liblinuxsampler | 21:15 |
| falktx | guess it was both :) | 21:15 |
| JohnnyL | dd ing | 21:15 |
| JohnnyL | joy | 21:15 |
| holstein | JohnnyL: i think it is a joy.. having an image to revert to. when, you have an issue like you are having | 21:15 |
| falktx | JohnnyL: there's a *lot* of tutorials about this, why do you need to keep asking? | 21:15 |
| JohnnyL | it'd be great if everything just worked. i'm sick of bit fiddling other peoples code. | 21:15 |
| sacarlson | falktx: yup that seems to have fixed it with removal of liblinuxsampler | 21:15 |
| holstein | JohnnyL: it *does* "just work".. | 21:15 |
| JohnnyL | holstein: i agree. | 21:16 |
| holstein | JohnnyL: your issues can happen with *any* OS. backups break things | 21:16 |
| JohnnyL | <reg. image> | 21:16 |
| holstein | JohnnyL: i *never* just backup my audio production machine like that.. i dont need backups. i need the system to work.. *ever* time.. so i plan for that, and make it happen | 21:16 |
| JohnnyL | but this toshiba has issues with some distros not booting. | 21:16 |
| holstein | its my responsibility | 21:16 |
| sacarlson | falktx: ok they are all installed now. so tomaro I'll start giving them a try. thanks for letting me play with your toys | 21:16 |
| holstein | JohnnyL: sure, and toshiba can address that. and, toshiba never promised you linux support, so its *your* responsibility | 21:17 |
| JohnnyL | i have all of my hd filled what should i duckduckgo.com for grub to boot off the hd iso | 21:17 |
| holstein | JohnnyL: falktx doenst do *anything* to prevent kxstudio from working flawlessly on that hardware.. but, "linux" cant make the toshiba support it | 21:17 |
| JohnnyL | holstein: never said that. | 21:17 |
| holstein | JohnnyL: if you have a limitation, like secure boot, or some UEFI, you'll need to address that | 21:17 |
| JohnnyL | besides it isn't kxstudio. its debian. | 21:17 |
| JohnnyL | holstein: right good point. | 21:18 |
| holstein | JohnnyL: debian isnt preventing the toshiba from working | 21:18 |
| holstein | JohnnyL: but, debian cant specifically faciliatate support, either | 21:18 |
| * designbybeck_ shutters at getting UEFI to work | 21:18 | |
| holstein | designbybeck_: im *so* glad i havent needed to, yet | 21:18 |
| JohnnyL | holstein: with no standards in setting configurations it sure as hell is. | 21:18 |
| holstein | JohnnyL: its not here, friend.. its just *my* responsibility.. its not hell at all | 21:19 |
| holstein | JohnnyL: i choose to do it | 21:19 |
| designbybeck_ | I didn't dual boot so I didn't have to worry about it on my ASUS ultrabook holstein | 21:19 |
| holstein | JohnnyL: its not breakage that your toshiba isnt "booting debian" as you wish it would.. they never promised you it would, and debian isnt breaking anything that prvents it from happening | 21:19 |
| holstein | JohnnyL: if you want linux to work, try buyhing a linux machine.. | 21:19 |
| holstein | .g system76 | 21:19 |
| thelonius | holstein: https://system76.com/ | 21:19 |
| LAbot` | Title: System76 - Ubuntu Laptops, Desktops, and Servers (at system76.com) | 21:19 |
| holstein | they support ubuntu out of the box, and work with you, personally, to make distros work with the hardware | 21:20 |
| holstein | they *promise* the same support you have, just for linux, and not windows | 21:20 |
| * falktx wants this http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/01/dell-updates-linux-powered-developer-edition-portables-with-m3800-monster | 21:20 | |
| LAbot` | Title: January | 2015 | Ars Technica (at arstechnica.com) | 21:20 |
| holstein | with that, you can get a nice start, without the frustration.. there are many resellers.. | 21:20 |
| JohnnyL | linux needs someone to come forth and work around a registry. they've tried to do this ala dconf-editor. but there in loose integration and many standards. | 21:21 |
| falktx | "4k resolution, a Haswell i7 CPU, Quadro K1100M GPU—all running Ubuntu 14.04" :O | 21:21 |
| JohnnyL | s/in/is | 21:21 |
| holstein | JohnnyL: go for it.. *all* of linux is open.. *anyone* can "come forth" as you say | 21:21 |
| holstein | JohnnyL: toshiba can download the *exact* same iso's you have acccess to, and support it | 21:21 |
| holstein | they dont. | 21:21 |
| designbybeck_ | oh I saw that today falktx very nice! I want to try out Blender on it! | 21:22 |
| holstein | JohnnyL: there are no "standards" that address what you are dealing with. just companies selling products.. and they promise you support for windows. try one that promises support for linux, if you want/prefer linux | 21:22 |
| holstein | otherwise, its a large responsiblity to run linux somewhere that its specifically not intended to run | 21:22 |
| JohnnyL | falktx: i have i7/8g ram,8core/1t, $800 | 21:23 |
| holstein | JohnnyL: imagine trying to run, for example, iOS from apple on that toshiba. its not "breakage", or a bug.. or a lack of people "coming forth" that prevents that from happening | 21:23 |
| JohnnyL | holstein: yeah indeed it's more of a show stopper. | 21:23 |
| JohnnyL | there are many reasons why i choose linux, but integration and standards is far from them. | 21:24 |
| holstein | JohnnyL: ? | 21:24 |
| holstein | JohnnyL: why? | 21:24 |
| holstein | integration and standards are *much* easier with linux. its *all* open | 21:24 |
| JohnnyL | i haved worked with linux for a while but someone needs to rally a tight configuration system /etc is a joke at best. | 21:25 |
| holstein | JohnnyL: dell, toshiba... *all* of them have access to linux.. freely and openly | 21:25 |
| holstein | JohnnyL: its no joke here.. works "as avertised" | 21:25 |
| JohnnyL | sure it is, but programmers don't apear to talk to one another or settle for what is already there. | 21:25 |
| holstein | *really* well, and out of the box easy on hardware that promises linux xupport | 21:25 |
| holstein | support* | 21:25 |
| holstein | JohnnyL: they dont promise you they will | 21:25 |
| holstein | JohnnyL: no one promised you a programmer would look at, or address *anything* about your hardware and linux.. they may have promised you something quite contrary | 21:26 |
| holstein | with secureboot, they can make it where you are not intended to install linux | 21:26 |
| holstein | thats something you purchase and deal with when you dont take responsibility | 21:26 |
| JohnnyL | so try to boot uefi or no | 21:28 |
| JohnnyL | ? | 21:28 |
| holstein | JohnnyL: i dont have your hardware, friend.. if i did, i would literaly address *whatever* is necessary to make it do what i need it to do, which, if that is support linux, then, i would take responsibility for that, knowing that im not promised support for that from toshiba | 21:29 |
| holstein | JohnnyL: i would disable, or remove, or break. hack. whatever it takes | 21:29 |
| holstein | with the knowlege that, i can break the machine. and "Void the warranty" or whatever | 21:29 |
| JohnnyL | oh joy | 21:29 |
| JohnnyL | /dev/sdb1 73786976294837727284 73786976294807899236 29828048 100% /media/usb0 | 21:29 |
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| holstein | what are you doing? | 21:30 |
| holstein | JohnnyL: you are dd copying an iso? why? | 21:30 |
| holstein | JohnnyL: dont "assume" that becuase that doenst boot on your toshiba, that that is related to an issue with the toshiba at all | 21:31 |
| JohnnyL | holstein: well i tried vrasero but it's no good. | 21:31 |
| JohnnyL | brasero | 21:31 |
| holstein | brasero is *great* | 21:32 |
| holstein | its not intended for doing what you are doing, in any way | 21:32 |
| holstein | its, again, not breakage, that brasero doesnt make a bootable USB stick.. its not what its for | 21:32 |
| JohnnyL | right what is then? | 21:32 |
| holstein | many tools.. i'll format fresh my stick, each time.. and, i'll either dd copy, if that is supported, or use unetbootin | 21:33 |
| holstein | .g unetbootin | 21:33 |
| thelonius | holstein: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ | 21:33 |
| LAbot` | Title: UNetbootin - Homepage and Downloads (at unetbootin.sourceforge.net) | 21:33 |
| holstein | its in most all major repos, and runs on windows, etc | 21:33 |
| holstein | JohnnyL: you'll do really well to just not assume.. like, your issue with brasero.. now, you are saying, and potentially telling others, brasero is "no good", when, its not intended for making usb sticks.. and never promised that functionality | 21:34 |
| holstein | ask | 21:34 |
| JohnnyL | sorry | 21:34 |
| holstein | "my toshiba doesnt boot usb sticks". is a statment.. | 21:34 |
| JohnnyL | i know | 21:34 |
| JohnnyL | my mistake | 21:34 |
| holstein | when, it seems, you are making them incorrectly, anyways | 21:34 |
| JohnnyL | it can boot sticks it depends. | 21:35 |
| holstein | i'll take the *same* stick to another machine and test before i assume anything.. | 21:35 |
| holstein | JohnnyL: machines tend to not "depend" so much.. its mostly a 1 or a zero, you know? | 21:35 |
| holstein | it can depend on different stick types, or formats. but, that can be researched, and isolated with testing.. | 21:35 |
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| holstein | well.. that was a good talk | 21:58 |
| holstein | wonder how much of that will need repeated ;) | 21:58 |
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| JohnnyL | ugh. I can't boot from usb from this machine. I can't even get into bios. | 23:34 |
| JohnnyL | i'd have to buy a new machine to get KXStudio to boot from. | 23:34 |
| JohnnyL | where can I get a log of kxstudio? | 23:44 |
| falktx | no one spoke after you left | 23:45 |
| falktx | kinda | 23:46 |
| JohnnyL | right but I'm looking for when i got helping making this work. | 23:47 |
| JohnnyL | thre was like a depmod or modeprobe command i used. | 23:47 |
| JohnnyL | i believe the command may have gotten my interface to be recognized. | 23:47 |
| JohnnyL | this was many months ago. | 23:47 |
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