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| alex-EU | falktx: seems to have loaded ok. | 00:02 |
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| alex-EU | falktx: when the last bridge loaded, i got some garbage at the end. anything crucial? http://pastebin.com/e3niSzMg | 00:03 |
| falktx | nah, just wine messing up the prints | 00:04 |
| falktx | happens regularly to me | 00:04 |
| alex-EU | falktx: ok. | 00:04 |
| alex-EU | falktx: looks ok so far. http://imgur.com/YsvXkkQ | 00:06 |
| LAbot | Title: snapshot3.png - Imgur (at imgur.com) | 00:06 |
| alex-EU | falktx: only problem with this is i get no sound through the carla-patchbay internal plugin i added. I assume this is the wrong one? | 00:09 |
| falktx | I have to see it | 00:10 |
| alex-EU | falktx: As you can see, i'm trying to route all the kontakt instances through it, and save the connections. | 00:10 |
| falktx | you need to connect the inside and outside | 00:10 |
| falktx | yes | 00:10 |
| alex-EU | falktx: have a look at the pic i posted. | 00:10 |
| falktx | but are the contents of carla-patchbay plugin? | 00:11 |
| alex-EU | falktx: it's all connected, yes? | 00:11 |
| falktx | *what are | 00:11 |
| alex-EU | falktx: aah, ok. | 00:11 |
| alex-EU | falktx: it's empty. :) | 00:11 |
| falktx | well, there's your problem | 00:11 |
| alex-EU | falktx: so i need some sort of bridge? | 00:12 |
| falktx | the carla-patchbay plugin has no connections by default | 00:12 |
| alex-EU | falktx: right. | 00:12 |
| falktx | no, just open it and do connections there | 00:12 |
| falktx | its inputs need to connect to outputs | 00:12 |
| alex-EU | falktx: ok, i'll try that. | 00:12 |
| falktx | either add some fx in there or direct connect inputs->outputs | 00:12 |
| alex-EU | falktx: works directly, thanks. | 00:13 |
| falktx | :) | 00:13 |
| alex-EU | falktx: ok, i'll open los, connect, and give it a workout. | 00:14 |
| * falktx crosses fingers | 00:14 | |
| alex-EU | falktx: ach, i need to change a few midi assignments. Gimme a little while. | 00:16 |
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| alex-EU | falktx: ok, all the instruments are working, i've made a few adjustments, and saved again a couple of times, with no problems that i can see. | 00:27 |
| alex-EU | falktx: progress. :) | 00:27 |
| falktx | great :) | 00:28 |
| falktx | alex-EU: how long does it take to load a project? | 00:29 |
| falktx | 2 minutes? | 00:29 |
| alex-EU | falktx: more like 5. | 00:29 |
| falktx | I'm not sure if I could take it... | 00:30 |
| alex-EU | falktx: And i just hit errors recording a small section, then stopping los. The same ringbuffer not enough space errors. But, loading and saving are ok, and that's what we were testing. | 00:30 |
| falktx | alex-EU: is that the normal time? or things are slower in wine vs real windows? | 00:30 |
| alex-EU | falktx: it's slower in wine i think. Don't forget, there's a lot to be loaded. Reaper does this much quicker, and still takes a minute + | 00:31 |
| alex-EU | falktx: i'll time it tomorrow. | 00:31 |
| alex-EU | falktx: http://pastebin.com/wZHBB5sp | 00:32 |
| falktx | this one is pretty serious: | 00:33 |
| falktx | Carla assertion failure: "data != nullptr" in file ../../utils/LinkedList.hpp, line 374 | 00:33 |
| alex-EU | falktx: the idea is i'll load this carla template first thing in the day, go get a cup of tea, and when it's ready, sit and work. There's little need for me to be swapping projects all the time. | 00:33 |
| alex-EU | falktx: yep, i noticed that too. | 00:33 |
| alex-EU | falktx: but i have no idea what it means. :) | 00:34 |
| falktx | it means the list got corrupted | 00:34 |
| falktx | memory errors | 00:34 |
| falktx | I need to full log to know what went wrong | 00:35 |
| alex-EU | falktx: ok. | 00:35 |
| falktx | the issue is the constant spamming of tryWrite/Read | 00:35 |
| falktx | makes that difficult | 00:35 |
| alex-EU | falktx: yep. | 00:36 |
| alex-EU | falktx: start/stop transport and the ringbuffer error messages start seriously breeding. | 00:36 |
| falktx | ah, then some borked midi message then | 00:37 |
| alex-EU | falktx: this works though. even with those messages, the instruments are still playing. | 00:37 |
| falktx | record the initial 5 secs of midi from los if possible | 00:37 |
| falktx | midi data | 00:37 |
| alex-EU | falktx: hmm, ok. | 00:37 |
| falktx | or a dump | 00:38 |
| falktx | jack_midi_dump should work | 00:38 |
| alex-EU | falktx: i'll try. | 00:38 |
| alex-EU | falktx: something like this? http://pastebin.com/grfSQgbe | 00:42 |
| falktx | alex-EU: was that from transport being stopped (start tool) then transport started? | 00:43 |
| alex-EU | falktx: yes | 00:44 |
| falktx | alex-EU: we'll continue this tomorrow | 00:45 |
| falktx | I'll convert that data into a midi file and play it back to carla to see if I can trigger the same issues | 00:46 |
| alex-EU | falktx: ok, sounds good. | 00:46 |
| alex-EU | falktx: thanks for your work and efforts. Good progress, imho | 00:46 |
| alex-EU | falktx: i'm closer than i was. :) | 00:47 |
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| falktx | wolftune: did you see the message? | 01:14 |
| wolftune | no… | 01:15 |
| thelonius | wolftune: 07 Jan 07:20Z <falktx> tell wolftune midi-out is now working for bridges in carla | 01:15 |
| wolftune | heh | 01:15 |
| wolftune | sweet!! I'll test later tonight | 01:15 |
| falktx | sleep time for me now | 01:16 |
| falktx | there's a topic in the forums asking for testing about this | 01:16 |
| falktx | post there if there's any problems | 01:16 |
| falktx | cya | 01:16 |
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| Newk | hi! something demands pulseaudio as dependancy with recent update for 12.04... | 11:04 |
| Newk | i'm trying to find out wich package via aptitude | 11:04 |
| Newk | maybe you guys know | 11:05 |
| falktx | probably kde stuff | 11:05 |
| falktx | kmix ? | 11:06 |
| falktx | kde-workspace ? | 11:06 |
| falktx | kde-runtime ? | 11:06 |
| * Newk checks | 11:06 | |
| Newk | pulseaudio has always brought in problems for me so i try to avoid it as the plague | 11:10 |
| Newk | only skype needs it but that can be circumvented with apulse | 11:11 |
| falktx | it has been a while since I ran 12.04 | 11:16 |
| falktx | I moved to 14.04 a few months ago | 11:16 |
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| Newk | yes me too on my older test machines.. but not yet on my main one yet.. so much installed on that that i prospone it.. on another partition is 14.10 64bit kxstudio to test bitwig tho | 12:02 |
| Newk | i guess its the kde part too.. since my other ones where i installed without kxstudio-desktop dont need PA | 12:04 |
| Newk | off to work.. bbl | 12:05 |
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| falktx | good news, the disk has arrived | 12:56 |
| blendrix | @falktx disk? (I just joined the room a few minutes ago, so I'm totally lost) | 12:57 |
| falktx | my laptop disk is failing | 12:57 |
| falktx | I got an error every time I boot it up | 12:57 |
| falktx | now I have a brand-new replacement for it | 12:58 |
| falktx | time to backup a few things | 12:59 |
| blendrix | Ahh, that's a very good thing to do | 13:01 |
| blendrix | So, would you be the one I should ask a total n00b question about Carla? | 13:01 |
| falktx | I'm the author, so shoot away | 13:05 |
| blendrix | awesome! first of all, KILLER APP, m8 | 13:05 |
| blendrix | ok, so I'm wondering if it's possible to use Carla to run Windows VSTs on my Mac. I see that it's possible with Linux, but Mac is so closely related to Linux through its BSD heritage, I figured it ought to be basically the same when imitating/emulating Windows, yeah? | 13:06 |
| falktx | in theory yes | 13:06 |
| falktx | first I need to get things working, and since I use linux 99% of the time it will work on linux initially | 13:07 |
| falktx | it should be possible to get the wine-bridges working on mac, for now I just didn't bother | 13:07 |
| blendrix | If you need a beta tester, I'm totally game. I know a fair amount about the *nix underpinnings of OSX and am not afraid to get my hands dirty under the hood, so to speak | 13:09 |
| falktx | do you know of a working semaphore implementation? | 13:09 |
| blendrix | I install most of my software via homebrew & cask on the command line | 13:09 |
| falktx | osx lacks sem_timed_wait, I used a workaround but it's not pretty | 13:09 |
| blendrix | semaphore… doesn't ring any bells | 13:09 |
| blendrix | I don't really think anyone could expect any software designed to bridge audio plugins between operating systems to be "pretty" | 13:11 |
| falktx | it's not used just for wine stuff. regular plugins bridges need it to | 13:11 |
| falktx | *too | 13:11 |
| falktx | like using 32bit plugins on 64bit carla | 13:11 |
| blendrix | I've learned to rejoice when stuff like this achieves mere "functional" status | 13:11 |
| falktx | which osx version do you have? | 13:13 |
| blendrix | Mav | 13:13 |
| falktx | you have git+clang installed, right? | 13:13 |
| blendrix | Yeah, those are prereq's for homebrew | 13:13 |
| falktx | also gcc | 13:13 |
| falktx | some opensource stuff needs gcc | 13:14 |
| blendrix | yeah, I have the whole xcode package | 13:14 |
| falktx | one thing you can do right now is build the deps | 13:14 |
| falktx | clone the carla repo, and run ./data/macos/build-deps.sh | 13:14 |
| blendrix | on it... | 13:14 |
| falktx | I build stuff on 10.6 so I don't know if others work or not | 13:15 |
| blendrix | happy to be the guinea pig | 13:16 |
| blendrix | building… | 13:18 |
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| falktx | alex-EU: no fixes for the midi data you sent me yet | 13:22 |
| alex-EU | falktx: afternoon, no problem. | 13:23 |
| falktx | my disk arrived just now, I'll be installing stuff today | 13:23 |
| falktx | but I'll try to do the midi testing if I can | 13:23 |
| alex-EU | falktx: ok | 13:23 |
| alex-EU | falktx: i continued working into the early hours. When carla is running with the big project loaded, it works fihen i close carla the bridge sometimes crashes. But while i'm working, it's stable so far. | 13:24 |
| falktx | blendrix: there's no point build stuff after the deps (if they even build that is). some of the changes I made recently probably broke osx stuff | 13:25 |
| blendrix | I just got an error something to the effect of "unable to find utility docsetutil" | 13:27 |
| blendrix | oh… looks like I hadn't installed xcode on this machine yet. | 13:30 |
| blendrix | taking care of that now | 13:30 |
| falktx | bbl, installing stuff... | 13:54 |
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| alex-EU | http://i.imgur.com/pWbHGaD.png http://i.imgur.com/8RlMiDd.png | 14:32 |
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| alex-EU | Carla running a basic orchestral template. | 14:33 |
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| falktx | new kxstudio 14.04 install here :) | 14:48 |
| falktx | the installer messes up the sources.list | 14:50 |
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| falktx | the system seems much faster now | 15:15 |
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| alex-EU | falktx: what sort of disk? ssd? | 16:13 |
| falktx | no, regular sata-2 disk | 16:14 |
| falktx | 5400rpm sata-2 | 16:14 |
| alex-EU | falktx: what did you have before? | 16:14 |
| falktx | the same | 16:14 |
| falktx | but it was giving errors | 16:15 |
| alex-EU | falktx: right. | 16:15 |
| falktx | alex-EU: this was for the laptop, not the desktop pc | 16:15 |
| alex-EU | falktx: aah, ok. | 16:15 |
| falktx | this way the laptop lasts a bit longer I hope | 16:16 |
| alex-EU | falktx: yep. | 16:16 |
| falktx | alex-EU: it was serious though. it showed the error everytime I turned it on | 16:16 |
| alex-EU | falktx: at least you swapped it out before the disk failed completely. | 16:16 |
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| alex-EU | falktx: Things got much better when i enabled the control messages checkbox in each plugin instance. Dohhhh......:) | 19:02 |
| alex-EU | falktx: Learning Carla is hard work! :) | 19:02 |
| alex-EU | falktx: I've been getting a few of these errors, but it doesn't seem to crash anything, or affect playback: Carla assertion failure: "data != nullptr" in file ../../utils/LinkedList.hpp, line 374 | 19:04 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: While testing this, i've discovered a couple of things. I start Carla with "WINE_RT=70 WINE_SVR_RT=75 carla" , and load all my K plugins. I then open Reaper, do all the porting (using my added midi ports, woohoo) and only use midi tracks. Reaper performs much better, the UI is snappier etc, i guess becasue it's not lugging all those plugins along. Maybe something for you to think about | 19:08 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: I also start reaper with the CLi you recommended (using WINE_RT=75 WINE_SVR_RT=79, and the chrt options). Seems to work nicely at those priorities. | 19:09 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: I still get the occasional x-run, but only on playback start/stop. | 19:10 |
| alex-EU | falktx: A question. If i load plugins from different prefixes, will these still count as separate processes in terms of ram use? | 19:11 |
| falktx | every plugin runs in its own process | 19:11 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: in case you missed them. http://i.imgur.com/8RlMiDd.png | 19:11 |
| falktx | well, the bridged ones do | 19:12 |
| alex-EU | falktx: so theroetically i could end up using more of my ram, than if it was just one prefix? | 19:12 |
| falktx | the prefix doesn't matter | 19:12 |
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| alex-EU | falktx: Each process can access as much ram as wine sees? | 19:12 |
| alex-EU | falktx: Given the limitations we've discovered about wine/ram/crap | 19:13 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: Here's the other one. http://i.imgur.com/pWbHGaD.png | 19:13 |
| falktx | yes, in 64bit the limit is waaay too high | 19:14 |
| alex-EU | falktx: ? | 19:14 |
| falktx | each process can use up to 2TB ram afaik | 19:14 |
| falktx | the limitation is on wine | 19:15 |
| alex-EU | falktx: ok, cool, i'll test that this evening up to what carla will allow (remembering the osc problems) | 19:15 |
| alex-EU | falktx: I'm enjoying myself here using this. All credit to you. | 19:24 |
| JackWinter | falktx: i don't think it's a limitation per se, rather a bug. but alex seems unwilling to submit a proper bug report so it will probably go unsolved for many years :) | 19:25 |
| falktx | only a few minor things left to fix | 19:25 |
| JackWinter | alex-EU: hmm, i'll have to read that several times, but i don't think i've told you to use WINE_RT=75 WINE_SVR_RT=79 | 19:25 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: No you didn't, but you did suggest using those option in the first place. I went experimenting after that. | 19:26 |
| JackWinter | alex-EU: the reaper playback/stop xruns are inherent in the design of reaper, i think there is an option that makes it go away, but that makes it run crappier | 19:27 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: As for the bug report, i'm reluctant to go cap in hand to wine devs who seemed obsessed with entitlement. I have no wish to feed their sense of immortality. :) | 19:27 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: xruns don't affect the actual audio output, so it's not an issue. | 19:28 |
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| JackWinter | alex-EU: ah, empirical results are always good. i'll still have to meditate on your setup though...:) what priority do you have jack set to? don't forget that the jack audio callback will run at that -5 | 19:28 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: Jack is 89 | 19:28 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: I used to run it lower than that, but experimenting seemed to favour a higher setting. | 19:29 |
| JackWinter | alex-EU: imo that's stupid. report the bug, the worst they can do is ignore it... but if you don't post more details than it's broken and when given some suggestions don't reply, it's really no way it's gonna be fixed. | 19:30 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: I'm probably subjecting jack to more throughput (torture) than most | 19:30 |
| JackWinter | alex-EU: you know that the absolute priority makes no difference at all, only the relative priority of threads, right? | 19:31 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: It's likely they will ignore, based on the general response or lack of it in the forum. Default response seems to be: "Do this in a pristine whiter than snow 32 bit prefix, and we may or may not respond." | 19:31 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: Yes, i learned that a little while ago. | 19:31 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: I'm using 64bit, not 32bit, and it's a ram problem. The least they can do is actually install wine64bit. :) | 19:32 |
| JackWinter | alex-EU: well it's your bug, but i think you know what i'm saying, so lets not discuss it more. i'll probably taunt you regularly about it though :) | 19:32 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: And i'll probably respond in kind. :) | 19:33 |
| JackWinter | alex-EU: i'm sure they have several machines running 64bit, just unlikely that many of the devs have 64gb ram in a machine | 19:33 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: that may or may not be true, but i'll take your word for it. | 19:34 |
| JackWinter | the first screenshot is impressive! | 19:34 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: It's not bad at all, i must admit. | 19:34 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: Once the osc stuff is gone, i'll see how much more i can load. | 19:35 |
| JackWinter | well consider the fact that you can run reaper64 in wine64 including plugins, they must have put some work into getting 64b support working :) i speculate that no one has tried to allocate that much ram in wine before though | 19:35 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: You may be right. But if a company can make a shilling or two hacking wine into shape, the modest purchase of a bit of ram to test the limit seems like a lack of common sense. | 19:37 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: Or a lack of interest. | 19:37 |
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| alex-EU | JackWinter: What's the easiest way to test the ram limit in Wine? Fill up user/temp with large files, or something like that? | 19:40 |
| falktx | I can create an exe for that I think | 19:40 |
| falktx | allocate lots of memory and fill it with random data | 19:41 |
| alex-EU | falktx: if you could, i'll post in in the winehq forum, and see if they respond. If that's ok with you. | 19:41 |
| JackWinter | alex-EU: conjecture :) you really don't know that. imo you shouldn't dish them until you've made a proper bugreport, followed it up, and finally gotten ignored. i'm actually very surprised having known you for several years and knowing the work you have put into linux and bugs and getting your system up and running. but it's a dead horse so let's leave it by the road (for now :) | 19:41 |
| JackWinter | alex-EU: i don't know, i suppose that would depend on what the bug is. my suggestion to fill up /dev/shm was to test if it was a system limit and not a wine problem. | 19:42 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: If Falk can help me out here, i'll give them some more info, an .exe to test with, and another trace from the crash. | 19:43 |
| JackWinter | falktx: an exe with an argument of how many bytes to allocate would probably do the trick very well. only thing is that i think that there are several functions for allocating ram in windows | 19:43 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: If they tell me to install a pristine 32 bit prefix, and test that, will you at least accept they're not exactly meeting us halfway? | 19:44 |
| alex-EU | :) | 19:44 |
| JackWinter | alex-EU: that would be a really moronic response to someone saying that they have problem allocating more than 32gb or ram in wine64, but the world is full of morons :) | 19:45 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: my point exactly. :) | 19:45 |
| JackWinter | in fact my immediate boss belongs to that group :) | 19:45 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: Let's see what happens. :) | 19:45 |
| JackWinter | alex-EU: i'm happy i managed to goad you. bugs ought to be reported, but i know that i'm guilty too of not expending the effort and sometimes hoping that someone else will do it, so that at some future date the problem will magically go away :) | 19:46 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: hehe. :) | 19:47 |
| * alex-EU goes for a cup of tea.......... | 19:56 | |
| JackWinter | alex-EU: did you see that reaper is getting a notation editor? written in lua, but they are gonna make the source freely available, as a demo of the new scripting support for reaper | 20:04 |
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| alex-EU | JackWinter: I saw that. | 20:11 |
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| alex-EU | JackWinter: I'm old school in that i write in a notation editor, and compose in a daw. If it's quick and easy to use, i'll have a look. But i am fluent in "piano roll" after years of practise. :) | 20:13 |
| JackWinter | :) | 20:13 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: And i'll take this moment to mention once again the superb Igor Engraver, which STILL runs in wine, even after all these years. :) | 20:14 |
| alex-EU | falktx: A question. It seems by default that when a new plugin instance is added, control messages is unchecked. Is there a reason for this, and can i change something somewhere to have it on by default? | 20:15 |
| falktx | the reason is that carla should be the one mapping midi-cc to parameters | 20:16 |
| alex-EU | falktx: right, i understand that. | 20:16 |
| alex-EU | falktx: makes sense. | 20:16 |
| falktx | osc will be done for the next carla windows bridges | 20:23 |
| falktx | *gone | 20:23 |
| alex-EU | falktx: woohoo. | 20:24 |
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| wolftune | falktx: MIDI works with carla bridges! Only strangeness… I'm not sure if channel is working right | 20:40 |
| falktx | hmm maybe not | 20:40 |
| wolftune | I'm using a plugin that is supposed to send out over many different channels regardless of getting it's input all on channel 1 | 20:40 |
| wolftune | it's sending only out on channel 1 instead of whatever channel it is supposed to use | 20:41 |
| falktx | I think I forgot 1 detail in there | 20:41 |
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