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| alex-EU | JackWinter1: The new reaper5 theme looks a bit "Toys r Us" imho. | 17:21 |
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| JackWinter1 | i didn't use the v4 either, have kept with an old v3 dark theme :) | 17:50 |
| JackWinter1 | don't like either the v4 or v5 default theme | 17:51 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter1: Yep. | 18:07 |
| JackWinter1 | any progress on the ram allocation issue? | 18:08 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter1: Nope. | 18:08 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter1: I'm getting the corporate/open source wall of silence. :) | 18:09 |
| JackWinter1 | something that would interest me to know, is what happens if you copy lets say 16gb to /dev/shm, in order to eat up available ram? | 18:09 |
| JackWinter1 | well running windows progs on linux would be bound to elicit handwashing on both sides of the aisl | 18:10 |
| JackWinter1 | aisle | 18:10 |
| JackWinter1 | think i'm gonna take a while to reboot a few times to see if i can make my onboard work after warmbooting from windows | 18:11 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter1: Yes, and i still wonder if it's a per process limitation. | 18:11 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter1: Good luck. | 18:11 |
| JackWinter1 | the above test might throw some light on it? if kontakt runs out of ram at 16gb it would probably have to do with free ram/vm, but if it still happens at 32gb then it'd be more likely to come from wine or a process limit | 18:12 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter1: If i could get midi in a stable fashion from 2 standalone K instances into LOS, i'd be trying that. | 18:13 |
| JackWinter1 | i take it that playing with /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_* didn't bring any fruits? | 18:13 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter1: No it didn't. | 18:13 |
| JackWinter1 | what is LOS? | 18:14 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter1: Falk's DAW. Forked from oom. | 18:14 |
| JackWinter1 | ah, i see | 18:14 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter1: No response in the wine forum either. That's the thrid time in 2 years i've asked a question, and it's got nothing. I've given up wasting my time on that. | 18:17 |
| JackWinter1 | alex-EU: most likely no one has an answer, or you ask the wrong questions :) | 18:18 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter1: Cowards. :) | 18:18 |
| falktx | someone needs to reply with the wrong answer | 18:18 |
| falktx | that usually works | 18:18 |
| JackWinter1 | i guess you realize that hardly anyone uses wine64 too, as most games etc are 32b? | 18:19 |
| alex-EU | falktx: hehe, good idea. Then the 'experts' come to voice their indignation. | 18:19 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter1: I realize it now. :) | 18:19 |
| JackWinter1 | yeah, an ignorant answer trashing wine and it's devs :) | 18:19 |
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| JackWinter1 | preferably with ad hominem attacks :) | 18:20 |
| alex-EU | back in a sec, pizza's ready...... | 18:20 |
| JackWinter1 | bbl, will do the reboot dance :) | 18:26 |
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| alex-EU | JackWinter: It's allliivvvvvveee! | 18:45 |
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| JackWinter | what is? the pizza? :) | 18:49 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: That's finished already... :) | 18:49 |
| JackWinter | i was lucky i only needed to wait on one windows update and reboot once :) | 18:49 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: A miracle indeed.... | 18:51 |
| JackWinter | indeed, and did you have a miracle in the meantime too? | 18:51 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: Just check now for 128 new trojans.... | 18:52 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: Still copying | 18:52 |
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| JackWinter | ah. yeah, don't like to boot windows... | 18:53 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: loading libs into reaper now. | 18:58 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: ok, so far. /dev/shm=16.1GB Reaper=23.4GB | 19:00 |
| JackWinter | hmm, then i guess it's unlikely to be related to your vm and ram size, and rather might be a wine problem. suppose the real test would be to remove one memory module and see if you can load more than 16gb.. | 19:05 |
| JackWinter | to linux' vm and your ram size | 19:06 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: Reaper got to 29.9GB, and then i got a memory low warning. Here's the interesting bit: "90 memory allocations failed (max size=4194208 bytes)....... | 19:07 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: Is that max size for reaper plus all plugin and wine services? Is that an arbitrary limit? I wonder. | 19:08 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: i'd like to know if there's a registry key in there that decides this. | 19:09 |
| JackWinter | you could try being persistent on the wine mailing lists, create bug reports on their tracker and being a pest at #winehq and #winehackers. as far as i know there is no such limit, so if it would be a bug | 19:11 |
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| alex-EU | JackWinter: A question. Do you have a pagefile.sys on your wine install? | 19:50 |
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| JackWinter | no idea, probably as i haven't messed around with it at all. i did disable fastboot (i think it's called), apart from that it's a factory install that came on the laptop with win 8.1 upgrade | 19:57 |
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| alex-EU | JackWinter: I've been right through the relevant parts in the registry, tried a few tweaks, and none of it worked. | 20:28 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: Time for a cup of tea, and get the shotgun for the monitor. :) | 20:28 |
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| JackWinter | alex-EU: shoot the pc instead, the monitor probably is innocent...:) | 21:06 |
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| JackWinter | my guess would be a bug. | 21:06 |
| JackWinter | or look for some linux program and see at what point it gets denied more memory. | 21:07 |
| JackWinter | or remove a ram module and see if you run out of it at 16gb | 21:07 |
| JackWinter | could very well be a wine bug... | 21:07 |
| JackWinter | maybe look to see if there is some windows program that you can use to allocate a lot of ram and see what happens. still many avenues to explore | 21:08 |
| JackWinter | or go make write a serenade for your woman, and spend a nice evening with her instead :) | 21:08 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: She's visiting her mother,hence the pizza. :) | 21:09 |
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| JackWinter | i see, what a misery, you have to hang out with us nerds instead | 21:09 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: :) | 21:10 |
| JackWinter | alex-EU: look what google found: http://www.soft.tahionic.com/download-memalloc/ | 21:11 |
| LAbot | Title: MemAlloc|Memory allocation test. Free memory stress test for Windows. Heavy memory load simulation (at www.soft.tahionic.com) | 21:11 |
| JackWinter | beh, looks like 32b, so i guess that won't help | 21:12 |
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| JackWinter | alex-EU: that was certainly a successful experiment :) | 21:26 |
| JackWinter | i simply don't have enough ram on this system (8gb) to make any experiments with ram allocation | 21:26 |
| JackWinter | it will get 16gb in january, think that will be enough for the laptop | 21:27 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: It's ok. I've got a decision to make about this, and was exhausting options. I appreciate you trying to help out. | 21:27 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: you were one among the unwashed masses.....:) | 21:27 |
| JackWinter | it's probably just a stupid bug | 21:28 |
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| JackWinter | i'd bug the wine devs about it (after making sure it's wine indeed). an alternative would be to dual boot and make music in windows instead. you ought to be able to dual boot and use the samples from both systems, until it can be sorted | 21:29 |
| JackWinter | or just use windows, but i for one would be sad to see you jump ship... | 21:30 |
| JackWinter | but i can see that you are stuck in a spot for a long time already | 21:30 |
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| alex-EU | JackWinter: One last stab in winehackers. :) | 21:39 |
| JackWinter | don't know if holiday time is a good time to ask for help from paid devs on irc :) | 21:44 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: You're probably right. | 21:45 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: See? Generic answers. :) | 21:46 |
| JackWinter | think i've given you the same answer already :) but at least i think you managed to hook a paid dev | 21:48 |
| JackWinter | i'd imagine that some of them would be interested if wine indeed has a problem, the problem is how to prove it, which normally would be by writing a test, but i take it you're not a programmer? | 21:49 |
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| alex-EU | JackWinter: Nope. :) | 21:50 |
| JackWinter | slackner is probably a good guy to enlist. he maintains a git repo with all the patches that wine won't touch | 21:53 |
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| Alex-EU-1 | JackWinter: it's like getting code out of a stone.... | 22:20 |
| JackWinter | Alex-EU-1: don't feel entitlement :) | 22:21 |
| Alex-EU-1 | JackWinter: Not that the indifference is in any way obvious..... | 22:22 |
| Alex-EU-1 | :) | 22:22 |
| JackWinter | it's your problem, not his :) | 22:22 |
| Alex-EU-1 | JackWinter: Of course. | 22:22 |
| JackWinter | don't think he's a wine dev either, just another guy like us | 22:22 |
| Alex-EU-1 | JackWinter: ok, time to bail out on this. | 22:23 |
| JackWinter | Alex-EU-1: does that mean that you are going slumming again? | 22:23 |
| Alex-EU-1 | JackWinter: Back to normal people you mean? :) | 22:24 |
| JackWinter | or going out looking for those police women in the mountains? :) | 22:24 |
| JackWinter | like i said, i'd hate to see my most successful non paying customer give it up! | 22:25 |
| Alex-EU-1 | JackWinter: I won't see them again for a while. They're doing the rounds collecting their seasons gifts. :) | 22:25 |
| JackWinter | too bad too invest that much effort and come so close just to give up for a stupid bug | 22:26 |
| Alex-EU-1 | JackWinter: What can i do? I can't connect midi to a standalone 64bit, and this mem limit seems unsolvable, with no one but you showing any interest. | 22:26 |
| JackWinter | use windows i suppose...:S | 22:27 |
| JackWinter | wonder what kinda issues you'll run into over there. | 22:27 |
| JackWinter | hopefully no showstoppers | 22:28 |
| Alex-EU-1 | JackWinter: I've been trying to participate and contribute, with a lot of time, testing, sweat and money for ten years in linux audio. | 22:28 |
| Alex-EU-1 | JackWinter: Enough's enough? :) | 22:28 |
| Alex-EU-1 | JackWinter: I've written 3 manuals, and done only knows how many website entries, videos, spent a lot of time helping new users, etc. | 22:29 |
| JackWinter | i can understand that. has it really been that long? | 22:29 |
| Alex-EU-1 | JackWinter: yep. | 22:29 |
| JackWinter | was shocked to realize that i bought my reaper v3 licence back in 2009.... | 22:29 |
| Alex-EU-1 | JackWinter: I wrote design for one app, and a complete midi workflow map for another. Man, when i think about it..... | 22:30 |
| JackWinter | then gods speed mate. hope you keep a dualboot system to do the occasional test. | 22:30 |
| JackWinter | but you really ought to open a bug for the issue, irc many times leads to nothing.. | 22:31 |
| Alex-EU-1 | JackWinter: True. | 22:32 |
| Alex-EU-1 | JackWinter: I'll stay in touch. I think i have your email somewhere. Anyway, mine's contact@alextone.org | 22:34 |
| Alex-EU-1 | JackWinter: And i might drop in here from time to time. | 22:35 |
| Alex-EU-1 | JackWinter: Never say never, as the saying goes.... | 22:35 |
| Alex-EU-1 | JackWinter: I'll kill this studio irc. | 22:36 |
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| alex-EU | JackWinter: Ok, my friend, time to get out of here. I wish you the very best for the holdiday season and the year to come. Please pass on the same to falk, and thank him on my behalf for his efforts in trying to help. | 22:48 |
| JackWinter | alex-EU: well it's always interesting to talk to you, and i'm amazed at your tenacity, but i can understand that enough is enough. | 22:48 |
| JackWinter | best wishes to you and your loved ones too | 22:49 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: Thanks. | 22:49 |
| JackWinter | maybe we meet on reaper irc someday :) | 22:49 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: :) | 22:49 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: Ciao! | 22:49 |
| JackWinter | gods speed | 22:49 |
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