Monday, 2014-03-31

drobillaSuppose if I add color configurability to Patchage I kind of have to do it for Ingen, don't I? :)02:22
* drobilla closes 6 year old ticket02:32
drobillaI have been failing to release this stuff for such a completely ridiculous amount of time02:33
ansuzhi drobilla03:25
drobillaansuz: 'lo03:32
ansuzI'm gonna have some free time over the summer, what would help?03:32
ansuzdocs?03:33
drobillaDepends on your skill set, I suppose03:33
drobillaFor Ingen, one of the more userey useful things would probably be build some example patches03:33
drobillaWhich inherently has testing built in :)03:33
ansuzyour setup is still Debian?03:34
ansuz7.4? sid?03:34
ansuzbtw: (= ansuz aaron)03:35
drobillatesting these days03:36
drobillaohi03:36
ansuzI'm on regular old wheezy03:36
drobillaSpend a day in a room with a whiteboard and figure out a better programming model than Max and make Ingen that? :)03:37
drobillaI haven't the slightest idea what version I'm technically running03:37
drobillaI install testing, once, and get on with life until the machine dies :)03:37
drobillaThey've gotten much better at not breaking stuff on updates03:38
ansuzI'm just testing enough other stuff that it's nice to have a steady core, but I've never tried testing03:38
* drobilla isn't on IRC much these days on account of that whole PhD thing03:38
ansuzI'm pretty much always on03:39
ansuznearby, procrasticoding03:39
drobillaI can't be.  Get distracted by people telling me what to do constantly :)03:39
ansuzhow much testing has gone into multi-client patching?03:40
drobillaor "hey!  let me list a bunch of shit to you right now and figure you'll magically remember all this 5 weeks later when you have time to actually work on LAD crap"03:40
drobillaI kind of hate IRC :)03:40
ansuzirc is only hard if you try to be nice to people03:41
drobillaMmmmmm I haven't in a while03:41
ansuzthat's the part of ingen I'm most interested in03:41
drobillaShould be good03:41
* drobilla runs ingen -e03:41
* drobilla runs ingen -g03:41
* drobilla watches is not connect03:41
drobillaFFS03:41
ansuzI'm using nodejs a lot lately, event driven stuff could probably work well with the server03:42
drobillaBe nice if it was trivial/handy to make the engine understand JSON03:42
drobillaBuuuuuuuuut it's not really03:42
drobillaI mean, could do it easily enough, but would have to implement another parser/serializer and stuff03:43
drobillaProbably easier to just read/write Turtle in JS03:43
drobilla(RDF doesn't fit in JSON in a non ugly way anyway, unfortunately)03:43
ansuzI've been using markdown a lot lately03:43
ansuzthat isn't so bad in json03:43
ansuzit might be easiest to adapt a markdown specification to spit out RDF?03:44
ansuzidk, it's been a while since I looked at your code, and I understood very little of it then.03:44
* drobilla doesn't get how markdown is particularly related03:45
* ansuz googles RDF03:45
drobillaIn a sentence, subject/key/value where subject and key are URIs03:45
drobillaGoogling RDF will probably get you a bunch of questionably useful enterprisey crap03:46
drobillaThat atom paper I sent you is probably the best way to understand the comm, I suppose03:47
ansuzyea, xml03:48
drobillaKinda sorta, tied with XML in origin03:49
drobillaBut abstract data model, not document markup03:49
ansuzit's the nesting as per your paper where it gets ugly?03:51
drobillaIn JSON?  It's just always ugly because JSON has no datatypes or distinction between string and URI03:52
ansuzahhh03:52
ansuzI've been doing too much web stuff, forgetting how much speed matters in audio03:54
* drobilla fixes remote client03:55
drobillanote to self, never change anything without testing remote client and run-as-plugin03:55
ansuzif it would be worthwhile, I have a few computers on campus that could be overnight buildbots03:56
drobillaI have 28 or so :D03:58
drobillaI use ccache though, don't spend much time compiling.  Most of my stuff is pretty small.03:58
drobilla(Ardour is another story...)03:58
ansuzhehe03:58
ansuz28 is a good number03:58
drobillaIIRC there's actually 27 identical compute nodes in our lab03:59
drobilla+ server and some random other different boxes03:59
ansuzwhat OS?04:03
ansuzI've been taking care of some mint/ubuntu/arch machines besides my own debian04:03
drobillaunbuntu04:03
drobillawhatever the latest LTS is04:03
drobillawhich is starting to get very annoyingly old04:03
ansuz12.0404:08
ansuzthe alternative was windoze04:09
ansuzI wanted Debian04:09
ansuzmint was a compromise04:09
drobillaNever ran mint but I've heard good things04:14
ansuzyou can get a version that's based off of Deb instead of ubuntu04:16
ansuzbut the one on our computers is ubuntu04:17
ansuzI find it easier to convert ubuntu into something usuable than mint04:18
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drobillaAnyone running a conventional window manager want to try out Patchage and tell me if it saves actual window coordinates to patchagerc?22:08
drobillaDoesn't for me, but I don't know if that's my wm or what22:08
* drobilla fundamentally disagrees with apps doing this anyway, but the desktop crowd has been failing at session management in largely the same way we have, so whatever22:08
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