| drobilla | 'lo | 00:32 |
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| drobilla | Anchakor: Not all Ingen, unfortunately, but still | 00:32 |
| drobilla | I poked him to make ams-lv2 faithful instead of diverge randomly here and there, so ingenams should do a better job of loading/translating ams patches no, but I haven't checked | 00:33 |
| drobilla | now* | 00:33 |
| * drobilla flies off the handle about LV2 GUI crap for an hour, returns to marking | 00:35 | |
| drobilla | I want to quit this horrible tedious job so bad. | 00:36 |
| drobilla | 2 days wasted this week so far. | 00:36 |
| drobilla | 16 more to go... | 01:10 |
| ansuz | 16 more days this week? | 01:21 |
| ansuz | :P | 01:21 |
| drobilla | 16 more horrible tedious kill-me-now assignments to grudgingly subject myself to :) | 01:22 |
| * drobilla opens a jpg photograph, of a torn piece of paper, with answers written on it by hand | 01:23 | |
| ansuz | tenure: eyes on the prize | 01:23 |
| drobilla | Heh. I'm probably not even going to try for an academic job. Why I'm doing this at all is beyond me. | 01:23 |
| drobilla | Too hard, too much stress. | 01:24 |
| ansuz | and my bringing up tenure is probably just reminding you of doubts | 01:25 |
| ansuz | so maybe I'll shut up :) | 01:25 |
| drobilla | Nah, doesn't really bother me. It's just a job. | 01:27 |
| drobilla | Usually it's pretty alright, it's just marking. | 01:27 |
| drobilla | I like working on stuff. | 01:27 |
| drobilla | Not this brutal torture. | 01:27 |
| drobilla | When my sentence is up, hopefully today, I'm free for a couple weeks again, and on it goes :) | 01:27 |
| ansuz | back to LV2? | 01:30 |
| ansuz | paper's submitted now? | 01:30 |
| drobilla | Yeah, deadline was the 4th. | 01:30 |
| drobilla | I need to do some actual work... maybe some LV2 stuff tonight, research tomorrow | 01:31 |
| drobilla | Ingen on Sunday if I have enough done | 01:31 |
| ansuz | ahh, so my email was late? | 01:31 |
| ansuz | haha | 01:31 |
| ansuz | I never check my email | 01:31 |
| drobilla | Yeah :) | 01:33 |
| drobilla | No worries, I think I can revise it before the final version anyway (post acceptance) | 01:33 |
| drobilla | The submitted one is a bit better than what you read, I sent it to a few people. | 01:33 |
| ansuz | cool | 01:34 |
| drobilla | I'm thinking next year's topic will basically be programming in Ingen in that style, patching up things to dissect objects and whatnot. | 01:34 |
| drobilla | Hopefully in the next year I have some time to sit down and think that one through. | 01:34 |
| drobilla | Be neat to do bring something new to the max-like table that isn't just a direct max knock-off. | 01:35 |
| drobilla | Lack of inlet/control position being relevant is kind of an issue if you want things to not be super huge though, it may be that the 'module with fixed inlets' thing itself won't do | 01:36 |
| drobilla | Mountain of question there, but that's where I'd like to go. | 01:36 |
| drobilla | Spend most of my time on LV2 itself, but oh well. | 01:36 |
| drobilla | It is, at least, pretty cool that the whole thing is controlled in this sensible more or less human readable network transparent etc. way, but the actual in-patch model is totally not figured out at all, it's just a modular synth still | 01:37 |
| ansuz | have you seen http://www.dinisnoise.org/ ? | 01:42 |
| LAbot | Title: DIN Is Noise (at www.dinisnoise.org) | 01:42 |
| ansuz | the thing I find most appealing in ingen (assuming I understand it) is that multiple people can patch on the same server session | 01:43 |
| ansuz | I didn't have much success getting it to run last time I tried, though | 01:43 |
| ansuz | now I'm on Debian, instead of Buntu, so I might have more luck | 01:43 |
| ansuz | Checking for 'lv2' >= 1.8.0 : not found | 01:55 |
| ansuz | is there not an apt repository for lv2? | 01:55 |
| ansuz | merp, i gotta rtfm | 01:57 |
| ansuz | which I'll do when I get home. which means running now. later ;) | 01:59 |
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| ansuz | I'm falling down a dependency rabbithole | 03:14 |
| drobilla | oh, hey. Never seen DIN before. | 03:20 |
| drobilla | ansuz: For what? | 03:21 |
| drobilla | Assuming you're building my whole lad repo, most of the deps are pretty conventional, aside from LV2 | 03:21 |
| ansuz | apparently I had nothing for lv2, so I installed lv2core, but that didn't do it.. | 03:21 |
| drobilla | that's super old. | 03:22 |
| ansuz | so, tarball? | 03:22 |
| drobilla | LV2 has been distributed as just 'lv2' for quite a long time now. | 03:22 |
| drobilla | I can't remember if latest release will do or svn is required at the moment. Ingen is often bleeding edge. | 03:22 |
| ansuz | yea, I got the whole lad, that was the only missing thing, everything I try to build tells me I need one more thing, haha | 03:23 |
| ansuz | redland rdf? | 03:23 |
| ansuz | rasqal? raptor? | 03:23 |
| drobilla | hm? | 03:23 |
| drobilla | I haven't depended on that stuff in years, what's asking you for that? | 03:23 |
| ansuz | still just trying to satisfy: | 03:25 |
| ansuz | Checking for 'lv2' >= 1.8.0 : not found | 03:25 |
| drobilla | yes, I mean where did redland come from? | 03:25 |
| ansuz | your slv told me I needed it | 03:26 |
| ansuz | I think | 03:26 |
| ansuz | slv2 | 03:26 |
| ansuz | maybe I'm totally off base | 03:26 |
| drobilla | slv2 hasn't been in my repo for over 3 years now | 03:26 |
| ansuz | I thought it would include the relevant lv2 stuff | 03:27 |
| drobilla | I think you might want to check out a fresh one. http://svn.drobilla.net/lad/trunk | 03:27 |
| LAbot | Title: lad - Revision 5334: /trunk (at svn.drobilla.net) | 03:27 |
| ansuz | off base :) | 03:27 |
| drobilla | LV2 is........ well, lv2 | 03:27 |
| drobilla | http://lv2plug.in/spec/lv2-1.8.0.tar.bz2 | 03:28 |
| drobilla | If it's in your distro, probably "lv2-dev" | 03:28 |
| drobilla | (define (contains? a-list a-string) | 03:29 |
| drobilla | (not(equal? #f (member a-string a-list)))) | 03:29 |
| drobilla | the amount of completely redundant expressions some of these kids wrap stuff in is over the top. | 03:29 |
| drobilla | one even had a (not (not ...)) | 03:29 |
| ansuz | lol | 03:30 |
| ansuz | trial and error coding | 03:30 |
| ansuz | scheme? racket? | 03:30 |
| ansuz | scheme is defun, yea? | 03:31 |
| drobilla | racket, which is scheme enough. | 03:31 |
| drobilla | nope, that's older lisps. | 03:31 |
| drobilla | which would be (defun contains-p (a-list a-string) ...) or some such, I think | 03:32 |
| drobilla | (in scheme it's just sugar for (define contains? (lambda (a-list a-string) ...))) | 03:32 |
| drobilla | λ if yer fancy | 03:32 |
| ansuz | yea, the course I'm taking now is taught with racket | 03:33 |
| ansuz | currying mindfucked the whole class, funny stuff | 03:33 |
| ansuz | debian 7 just told me I have the newest version of lv2-dev, but drobillad tells me it isn't enough | 03:34 |
| drobilla | That's what this class is supposed to be, and usually is. | 03:34 |
| drobilla | This term it's more "woo gamez and grafics! (that happen to be in racket)" | 03:34 |
| drobilla | more precisely? | 03:34 |
| ansuz | Checking for 'lv2' >= 1.8.0 : not found | 03:35 |
| drobilla | It's entirely likely ingen depends on the svn one anyway. | 03:35 |
| drobilla | Being my cutting edge unreleased playground and all. | 03:35 |
| ansuz | k, using the tarball | 03:35 |
| drobilla | 1.8.0 *is* the latest tarball. | 03:36 |
| ansuz | building | 03:36 |
| drobilla | i.e. there is no lv2 tarball new enough to build ingen | 03:36 |
| ansuz | uhh, I tried apt first for the -dev | 03:36 |
| drobilla | http://lv2plug.in/repo/ | 03:36 |
| LAbot | Title: repo - Revision 907: / (at lv2plug.in) | 03:36 |
| ansuz | working now | 03:36 |
| ansuz | thanks | 03:37 |
| * drobilla waits for the 1.8.1 message ;) | 03:37 | |
| ansuz | the TA for my class keeps on accidentally calling racket scheme | 03:37 |
| ansuz | and the class seems not to know what that is | 03:37 |
| drobilla | I do so all the time. | 03:37 |
| drobilla | Not a huge fan of them breaking ranks in the first place. | 03:37 |
| drobilla | The course is more or less taught in the common subset. | 03:38 |
| drobilla | Racket was formerly PLT Scheme | 03:39 |
| ansuz | mhm | 03:39 |
| ansuz | we're just in #lang racket | 03:39 |
| ansuz | same? | 03:39 |
| ansuz | also #webserv/insta | 03:39 |
| drobilla | Well, "scheme" is basically the rnrs standards, e.g. r5rs. | 03:40 |
| drobilla | racket is whatever the racket people cram in there this week. | 03:40 |
| ansuz | ha | 03:40 |
| ansuz | it's my prof's favourite language, I'm not sure why racket over scheme, mostly cause I don't really know scheme | 03:40 |
| drobilla | Personally I'd teach the course in standard r5rs and have it actually be about functional programming, but that's me. | 03:40 |
| ansuz | scheme does all the (define-syntax-rule ...) stuff as well? | 03:41 |
| drobilla | Well, it has a nice editor and stuff. | 03:41 |
| ansuz | drracket, yea | 03:41 |
| ansuz | I've done everything up to this point with gedit and the command line, so not having my usual stuff there is kind of annoying | 03:41 |
| drobilla | It has define-syntax, anyway. I don't think define-syntax-rule is standard. | 03:42 |
| ansuz | I think it's just sugar | 03:42 |
| drobilla | there's two standard hygienic macro thingies, syntax-rules and syntax-case | 03:42 |
| drobilla | I only know one because I implemented it, buuuuuuuuut I forget which. | 03:42 |
| ansuz | hahaha | 03:42 |
| ansuz | '..forgotten more in my life than you'll ever know.." | 03:43 |
| * drobilla 's most irresponbible toy project is a Scheme=>LLVM compiler | 03:43 | |
| drobilla | Be nice to have a year for that one and be able to write hard realtime scheme code, though. | 03:43 |
| ansuz | I'm getting along well with this prof, being the only one in class who already knew what lisp was | 03:44 |
| ansuz | so I'm gonna try to push towards being one of his grad students down the line | 03:45 |
| ansuz | which I imagine will mean lots of racket | 03:45 |
| drobilla | Is he super old? | 03:45 |
| ansuz | umm | 03:47 |
| ansuz | not super super old | 03:47 |
| ansuz | but pretty eccentric | 03:47 |
| ansuz | neckbeardy | 03:47 |
| drobilla | Just curious. LISP nerds, special breeds. Few notable sub-species :) | 03:48 |
| ansuz | http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ShowRatings.jsp?tid=20260 | 03:48 |
| LAbot | Title: Gary Baumgartner at University of Toronto - St. George Campus - RateMyProfessors.com (at www.ratemyprofessors.com) | 03:48 |
| * drobilla really likes the simplicity and elegance of Scheme but doesn't get much opportunity to actually use it | 03:48 | |
| ansuz | http://www.cs.toronto.edu/~gfb/ | 03:49 |
| LAbot | Title: Gary Baumgartner (at www.cs.toronto.edu) | 03:49 |
| drobilla | Doing the emacs thing to Ingen would be nice, but I should probably spend my time improving it in ways that appeal to normalos | 03:49 |
| ansuz | the emacs thing? | 03:49 |
| ansuz | lisp extensions? | 03:49 |
| ansuz | runtime style? | 03:49 |
| ansuz | I don't emacs | 03:49 |
| drobilla | hooks to do everything in a scripting language, then doing high level stuff in that language. | 03:49 |
| drobilla | which also means you can just script whatever | 03:50 |
| drobilla | though Ingen sort of already has a way to control everything easily via a protocol, so maybe actual bindings are not required for a similar thing. | 03:50 |
| drobilla | (there are python bindings done that way) | 03:50 |
| ansuz | I've noticed knowing some lisp makes you immune in language flame wars | 03:52 |
| ansuz | "php! no, RUBY! no! PYTHON!!" | 03:52 |
| ansuz | "lisp!!!!" (long silence) | 03:52 |
| drobilla | All Programming Languages Suck™ | 03:55 |
| drobilla | (but PHP sucks more) | 03:55 |
| ansuz | yea, I've been hanging out with the "CognitiveScience & AI students association" (CASA) a lot, and taking care of a lot of their web stuff | 03:56 |
| ansuz | which today meant diving into some wordpress garbage | 03:56 |
| * ansuz shudders | 03:56 | |
| ansuz | and this guy is trying to convince me why it's good to have wordpress, because newbs can then do their web stuff | 03:57 |
| ansuz | and I'm trying to argue, but NOONE has been doing any web stuff, there is no lowest common denominator | 03:57 |
| ansuz | :/ | 03:58 |
| drobilla | I run Wordpress despite my passionate hatred of PHP. | 03:58 |
| drobilla | It's hard to avoid, sometimes... | 03:58 |
| ansuz | oh yeaa? | 03:58 |
| ansuz | jee | 03:58 |
| ansuz | I'm doing most of my personal stuff with nodejs lately | 03:58 |
| drobilla | That would involve work. :) | 03:59 |
| ansuz | I suppose | 04:00 |
| ansuz | since your site is already made | 04:00 |
| drobilla | 'made' with zero coding. | 04:01 |
| drobilla | Last thing I need is a bunch of web programming on the pile too, I just try to ignore it as much as possible. | 04:01 |
| ansuz | fair enough, it's been my focus for the last while | 04:01 |
| ansuz | given I want to linux as much as possible, but still work as a programmer | 04:02 |
| ansuz | web stuff seems to be the de facto route | 04:02 |
| ansuz | cross platform by definition | 04:02 |
| drobilla | Despite being implemented in the worst non-joke programming language there has evern been, Wordpress itself is pretty good. | 04:02 |
| drobilla | Yeah. I half wish I wrote (or had time to write now) an ingen UI in the browser. | 04:02 |
| ansuz | maybe I can write it ;) | 04:02 |
| drobilla | Particularly considering that whole collaborating thing you mentioned which it can inherently do | 04:03 |
| ansuz | yea | 04:03 |
| ansuz | the html5 canvas api is pretty cool | 04:03 |
| ansuz | that would likely be the thing to use | 04:03 |
| drobilla | Maybe. I always liked the SVG+js route | 04:03 |
| drobilla | Particularly because then you can leverage the dom event handling stuff and don't have to write your own. | 04:03 |
| ansuz | arrays have a map method, functions have an apply method, so there's lisp, basically | 04:04 |
| drobilla | Not homoiconic, doesn't count :) | 04:04 |
| ansuz | I haven't done anything with SVGs just yet | 04:04 |
| drobilla | McCarthy said so, QED. | 04:04 |
| ansuz | hahaha | 04:04 |
| drobilla | There are a few patcher things in JS. | 04:05 |
| ansuz | http://repl.it/ | 04:05 |
| LAbot | Title: repl.it (at repl.it) | 04:05 |
| drobilla | None seem particularly good. | 04:05 |
| ansuz | yea, I've been doing some basic synth stuff | 04:05 |
| drobilla | neat | 04:05 |
| ansuz | not patched, hardcoded | 04:05 |
| ansuz | but it's a start | 04:05 |
| drobilla | indentation and parenth matching, not bad. | 04:06 |
| ansuz | I wasted a lot of time trying to master python, not realizing quite how slow it is | 04:06 |
| ansuz | also, it was 2.7, not 3 | 04:06 |
| drobilla | Yeah, no good for sound or high perf in general, but good to know anyway. | 04:06 |
| drobilla | I use Python for glue basically everywhere. | 04:06 |
| ansuz | mhm, list comprehensions for html generation is nice | 04:07 |
| drobilla | It has the most stuff baked in and the language is alright | 04:07 |
| * drobilla sure could go for a real type system, but he says that about everything | 04:07 | |
| ansuz | yea, a long while back you said it was your go to for day to day programming | 04:07 |
| drobilla | well, my day to day is C, really | 04:07 |
| ansuz | 'real'? | 04:07 |
| drobilla | but if I need to munge a bunch of text or generate plots or whatever, Python | 04:08 |
| drobilla | safe. I'm not a huge fan of the whole dynamic thing. If my code is broken, I want the compiler to tell me straight up. | 04:08 |
| ansuz | ahh | 04:09 |
| drobilla | Not discover it later when it blows up in my face at runtime. | 04:09 |
| ansuz | 'strict'? | 04:09 |
| drobilla | But that's a whole rabbit hole unto itself. | 04:09 |
| ansuz | my wee toy language is just about done, but I've put off finishing it while I'm taking this course, as it might change my mind about some things | 04:09 |
| ansuz | it's all about type safety, but not in a strict way | 04:10 |
| drobilla | that's my ideal, too. | 04:11 |
| drobilla | my above-mentioned "scheme" compiler is really more of an ML, semantically. | 04:11 |
| ansuz | metalanguage? | 04:11 |
| drobilla | need to build in dynamic object boxing to get best of both worlds and see how close I can get to r7rs but have static typing | 04:12 |
| drobilla | I don't even know what ML stands for. It's ML. :) | 04:12 |
| ansuz | hmm, never heard of it | 04:12 |
| drobilla | Didn't you use Haskell for a while? | 04:12 |
| ansuz | general purpose functional? | 04:13 |
| drobilla | Haskell is sort of a great great great philosophical grandchild of ML. | 04:13 |
| ansuz | a very short while, then I found python | 04:13 |
| ansuz | 'found' | 04:13 |
| ansuz | more like tried | 04:13 |
| drobilla | SML (standard ML) is notable for introducing practical type inference, and being proven sound | 04:13 |
| ansuz | ahh | 04:13 |
| drobilla | algebraic data types | 04:13 |
| drobilla | not sure if it's where ADTs came from, but y'know, that area of stuff | 04:14 |
| ansuz | I guess I went the opposite direction with the same goal in mind | 04:14 |
| drobilla | (it's also the linga franca of type theory, which is the only reason I'm slightly familiar with it. never actually written any) | 04:14 |
| ansuz | instead of type checking, I'm just making it so nothing ever throws an error | 04:15 |
| drobilla | well, if you want to actually get shit done, you went the right direction. | 04:15 |
| drobilla | sad but true. | 04:15 |
| ansuz | every operator is overloaded for every primitive datatype | 04:15 |
| ansuz | division by zero returns an 'undefined constant' which has a locally redefinable expression substituted for it | 04:16 |
| drobilla | that's got to fall apart at some point | 04:16 |
| ansuz | by default 0 | 04:16 |
| drobilla | but I suppose it'll be interesting to see where it goes if you push it | 04:16 |
| ansuz | I'm pretty sure it checks out | 04:17 |
| ansuz | but it throws provability out the window | 04:17 |
| ansuz | it'll never just stop, which is good for audio things | 04:17 |
| drobilla | any calculation based on said division by zero will be meaningless | 04:17 |
| ansuz | yup | 04:17 |
| drobilla | "error" by any other name, really | 04:17 |
| ansuz | yea | 04:17 |
| ansuz | mind you, since you know that ahead of time, you can use it | 04:17 |
| drobilla | but yeah, as a DSL there's some sense to it | 04:18 |
| ansuz | set up generators where you'll commonly get div by zeros, and make it sub in some other val | 04:18 |
| ansuz | plug that into a melody generator and you have drone music | 04:18 |
| ansuz | or, substitute a function call for the undef constant, and you get something less predictable | 04:19 |
| ansuz | it's meant to be more like an improvising brain, and less like a normal language | 04:19 |
| ansuz | cause really, there's enough of those, right? | 04:19 |
| drobilla | Yeah. Creative languages have an interesting way of making what would be batshit insane in a general purpose language and turning it into an advantage :) | 04:20 |
| drobilla | THis reminds me of some pawfal.org project's philosophy but I forget which | 04:20 |
| * drobilla notes that pawfal.org is basically gone now | 04:20 | |
| drobilla | Well, that's a shame. | 04:20 |
| ansuz | yea, looks dead-ish | 04:21 |
| drobilla | Used to be quite a few interesting project there. | 04:21 |
| drobilla | Languages, l-system based generative composition, and so on. | 04:21 |
| drobilla | (4 more to go!) | 04:22 |
| ansuz | markings? | 04:22 |
| ansuz | nice | 04:22 |
| ansuz | yea, l-systems are what I have in mind for my language | 04:22 |
| ansuz | functions modifying themselves in real time, while you listen to their side effects | 04:23 |
| ansuz | since you can cast strings as lambdas | 04:23 |
| ansuz | :) | 04:23 |
| drobilla | Some of the subpages still exist http://www.pawfal.org/fluxus/ | 04:24 |
| LAbot | Title: (fluxus) (at www.pawfal.org) | 04:24 |
| drobilla | That's........ interestingly insane. | 04:25 |
| drobilla | I guess in a context like that you can basically just execute random shit | 04:25 |
| ansuz | coooool | 04:25 |
| * ansuz bookmarks | 04:25 | |
| ansuz | actually.. | 04:25 |
| ansuz | (ctrl-s) | 04:26 |
| ansuz | proudly powered by wordpress | 04:26 |
| drobilla | yeah, this site used to run some extremist DIY wiki that anyone could edit | 04:26 |
| drobilla | I'm positive the reason the site proper no longer exists is finally succumbing to the constant barrage of spam and vandalism | 04:27 |
| drobilla | I guess they gave up and dropped wordpress there to keep the fluxus site alive | 04:27 |
| drobilla | Who submits .rtf, honestly | 04:29 |
| ansuz | I think you fb-shared the xkcd... reliability of information by file extension? | 04:30 |
| ansuz | haha | 04:30 |
| drobilla | hah, yeah, that's a good one | 04:30 |
| ansuz | .txt or gtfo | 04:30 |
| ansuz | so, drobillad built a while ago | 04:31 |
| ansuz | /usr/local/bin has all the things I'd expect to see, except no ingen | 04:32 |
| ansuz | which I imagine is no mistake | 04:32 |
| drobilla | it won't build the components where dependencies are missing. the configure output should say which. | 04:34 |
| drobilla | Which would include ingen at least due to it requiring lv2 1.8.1 (svn) | 04:34 |
| ansuz | ahhh | 04:35 |
| ansuz | fuck it | 04:35 |
| ansuz | lol | 04:35 |
| ansuz | I'll get it working tomorrow, it's getting late | 04:35 |
| drobilla | Told you! | 04:35 |
| drobilla | heh | 04:35 |
| ansuz | I thought that was sarcasm | 04:35 |
| ansuz | irc and all, no tonality | 04:35 |
| ansuz | me | 04:35 |
| ansuz | h | 04:35 |
| drobilla | Nope, it totally depends on svn LV2. When developing new stuff I can't be bothered to implement a bunch of compatibility checking gunk for a program that's not even released anyway. | 04:36 |
| drobilla | Hopefully soon it will be, but yeah. | 04:36 |
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| ansuz | fair enough | 04:39 |
| ansuz | then when I get it working I have mad street cred | 04:39 |
| ansuz | ;) | 04:39 |
| drobilla | I guess. Pretty much par for the course 'round these parts :) | 04:40 |
| ansuz | there's like 4 people in my class that use linux | 04:41 |
| ansuz | street cred is easy to come by 'round these parts :( | 04:41 |
| ansuz | "whats a command line?" | 04:42 |
| drobilla | Well, I meant IRC and/or LAD in general. | 04:43 |
| drobilla | Very few students at my school have a hint of a clue what the fuck they're doing with computers. | 04:44 |
| drobilla | Pretty sure that's universal. | 04:44 |
| drobilla | If you TA, eventually you just become numb to the shocking incompetence. | 04:44 |
| drobilla | Every class you get a couple who are alright, so there's at least a tiny shred of hope in there somewhere. | 04:45 |
| drobilla | Particularly since this is a Scheme course, I defer to the greatest Acknowledgements section of all time: http://scsh.net/docu/html/man.html | 04:46 |
| LAbot | Title: Scsh Reference Manual (at scsh.net) | 04:46 |
| ansuz | LOL | 04:48 |
| ansuz | Jack'n Zac | 04:48 |
| ansuz | well, I'm still a newb myself, but still a self-respecting newb | 04:49 |
| ansuz | people seem to know linux is the best, but they're afraid of it | 04:49 |
| ansuz | I got called a guru the other day | 04:49 |
| ansuz | it made me kinda sad | 04:50 |
| drobilla | Yeah, that's kind of the thing you learn when you actually see an entire classes work. | 04:51 |
| drobilla | The average student is really ultra mega seriously ridiculously less competent than you assumed. | 04:51 |
| ansuz | on the other hand, more proles to hack | 04:52 |
| drobilla | Basically having any particular interest whatsoever already means you're way ahead of the curve. | 04:52 |
| drobilla | For starters most have no business being around computers, or real desire to, but there's money in it. | 04:53 |
| drobilla | It's actually really depressing. | 04:53 |
| ansuz | time for a jack'n zac? | 04:54 |
| ansuz | I'm looking forward to the money part | 04:54 |
| ansuz | utoronto's expensive | 04:54 |
| ansuz | fuck | 04:54 |
| drobilla | Meh, I just finished, so tomorrow I'll just forget about it until next time. | 04:54 |
| drobilla | Well, yeah, I mean, it's sure nicer than being into something with no hope of actually turning into a sustainable career. | 04:54 |
| ansuz | oh | 04:55 |
| ansuz | like music? | 04:55 |
| drobilla | And from a researcher POV, undergraduate tuition money is basically what the school runs on. | 04:55 |
| drobilla | Exactly like music. :)_ | 04:55 |
| ansuz | good thing I don't have to deal with that | 04:55 |
| ansuz | hehe | 04:55 |
| ansuz | actually, I basically consider myself retired at this point, I never jam anymore | 04:56 |
| drobilla | If I had any sense I'd at least be making money off music software, but I'm not a very practical person. | 04:56 |
| ansuz | vampires everywhere | 04:56 |
| drobilla | Yyyyyyyep. | 04:56 |
| drobilla | I have a bit of an analog gear habit these days, I tinker more than play, if anything. | 04:56 |
| ansuz | the gear is half of what burnt me out | 04:57 |
| ansuz | carrying stuff around | 04:57 |
| drobilla | Yeah, I totally hate myself for said habit, but hey. | 04:58 |
| ansuz | also, I broke my wrist last year. and my scapula a few weeks ago | 04:58 |
| drobilla | Shit | 04:58 |
| ansuz | so, software it is | 04:58 |
| ansuz | hehe | 04:58 |
| ansuz | ice kinda sucks | 04:58 |
| ansuz | but painkillers kinda rule | 04:58 |
| drobilla | I got my wisdom teeth out and didn't even get any painkillers | 05:01 |
| drobilla | Bullshit | 05:01 |
| ansuz | :/ | 05:02 |
| ansuz | I guess Ottawa's full of tightassed doctors? | 05:02 |
| ansuz | that's fucked | 05:02 |
| drobilla | Granted, I'm a drug addict and that's probably a good thing, but still. This is an outrage! etc | 05:02 |
| ansuz | hahaha | 05:03 |
| * drobilla uploads grades | 05:03 | |
| drobilla | Kinda to late to start anything significant. Oh well. | 05:03 |
| drobilla | too* | 05:03 |
| ansuz | yea, it's getting towards my bedtime | 05:05 |
| ansuz | <body> yawn, it's time for sleep; <brain> yup, time to open drracket | 05:49 |
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