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| * drobilla hammers away on removing unnecessary junk from save files | 03:28 | |
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| drobilla | 176 byte message for an average control port | 04:43 |
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| drobilla | should be able to shave 20 by removing the unnecessary sequenceNumber | 04:43 |
| drobilla | Still kinda big :/ | 04:43 |
| bti | meanwihle, in Germans reinventing Cubase<tm> for Nth time land https://www.bitwig.com/dms/bitwig/img/announcement_page/sections/2/native-modular-system.png | 05:19 |
| * drobilla has been pasted this screenshot a lot in the past few days | 05:21 | |
| drobilla | Nobody gives a shit about modulars, apparently, but everybody falls all over themselves when Bitwig has one | 05:22 |
| cr | i don't get hype at all, appers 98% identical to ableton, which itself was 98% identical to Acid, Cubase, Logic, Sonar, PErformer, PRotools... | 05:48 |
| cr | the amount of reinvention going on in proprietary-land makes gtk vs KDE look like child's play | 05:49 |
| bti | can't forget REAPER, show's not over till WinAmp guy chimes in with his copy of the same exact thing | 05:57 |
| drobilla | Ableton's whole looping thing was considerably different than Cubase | 06:10 |
| bti | similar things could be achieved by looping global timeline and moving bars into/out of it. know i saw some DEMF Live PAs doing that in Logic long ago | 06:38 |
| bti | granted they improved hte UI a bit | 06:38 |
| bti | i'm stil most impressed by Atari/Amiga, having solidified most of the DAW concepts while i was in diapers | 06:38 |
| * drobilla shrugs | 06:38 | |
| drobilla | DAWs are DAWs, film at eleven | 06:38 |
| bti | logic even had hidden timestretch/remap features, w transient-extraction to markers/MIDI, blahblah | 06:40 |
| * bti should try ARdour for first time in 6 years | 06:40 | |
| drobilla | I'd like to come up with a really figured out and somewhat novel modular programming model for Ingen, but who knows if that's possible without completely tossing the current stuff out the window... | 06:41 |
| drobilla | Visually, things being more condensed without relying on positional arguments being meaningful (ala pd) would be nice | 06:41 |
| drobilla | But here, too, there's only so much new you can probably do | 06:41 |
| bti | my main intereste in Ingen is porting GNURadio shit | 06:42 |
| bti | i forked gordonjcp's minimalist SDR app and tweaked it to shit and back and it worked, but patchable modules would be cooler | 06:43 |
| drobilla | I like bulk ports because it lets me import power without actually having to make design decisions :) | 06:43 |
| bti | still not exactly sure if GNURadio really needed to invent its own module-encapsulation format in light of LV2 | 06:43 |
| bti | 3.2 mhz of floats instead of 192khz of them.. etc | 06:44 |
| drobilla | Perhaps not, but there wasn't much win in it for GNU radio to use anything else, since the scope of virtually every plugin/module/whatever is totally different | 06:45 |
| drobilla | (and not being just code makes LV2 a hard sell sometimes) | 06:46 |
| Anchakor | bti: well using ableton and cubase for live performance is significantly different experience | 06:47 |
| * drobilla => bed | 06:49 | |
| * Anchakor just woke up | 06:49 | |
| drobilla | I am trying to maintain a vaguely normal human sleeping schedule, but kinda botched it tonight since I'll probably read for at least an hour. Oh well. | 06:50 |
| drobilla | Stupid LV2 atom paper is taking way too long to write (well, that and the massive digressions). | 06:50 |
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| bti | s'ok, only halfway thru that steganography paper myself.. | 09:10 |
| bti | also enjoyed http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~suman/pubs/paradis.pdf and http://www.cs.rpi.edu/research/pdf/09-02.pdf | 09:10 |
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| * drobilla reconsiders if magic MIDI binding is really a good idea | 16:38 | |
| Anchakor | what is magic MIDI binding? | 16:41 |
| drobilla | pick learn from control port menu, twiddle control (that is connected to patches control input), voila | 16:42 |
| Anchakor | it is a good thing | 16:45 |
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| drobilla | Questionable. Hidden magic things going on, patch does something not shown | 16:52 |
| drobilla | But would need a better controller node to do otherwise | 16:52 |
| drobilla | (Though that one is questionable to be baked in anyway) | 16:53 |
| Anchakor | well ofc it should be shown | 16:53 |
| Anchakor | if it is to be there | 16:54 |
| Anchakor | but it doesn't need to be there, instead using a MIDI event filtering plugin | 16:55 |
| drobilla | There is nothing to show, presently. It is not implemented via patchey things. | 16:55 |
| drobilla | Hence magic. | 16:55 |
| Anchakor | the plugin would show which CC is being triggered and offer to lock it at that filtering out all other events | 16:56 |
| Anchakor | would need GUI though | 16:56 |
| drobilla | Not really. It can have a 'learn' command, and the actual state could be shown as controls | 16:57 |
| Anchakor | if ingen did that natively, it could be shown just like a few pixels to show that there is SOME event bound to it | 16:57 |
| drobilla | Well, it will probably just stay as-is for now, though they currently aren't being saved, so that means I had to put work into questionable solution... | 16:59 |
| Anchakor | not being saved is a problem | 16:59 |
| drobilla | Not sure how much work it would be to have MIDI input do dynamic patching | 16:59 |
| Anchakor | not being shown not that much if there is a manager for the bindings | 16:59 |
| * drobilla often wishes ingen events were LV2 atoms all the way down | 17:00 | |
| drobilla | Manager is precisely the sort of thing I don't want, I think. | 17:00 |
| drobilla | Modular environment should be able to do, well, everything. | 17:01 |
| Anchakor | dynamic patching? like programmatically making and destroying plugins and connecting ports? that seems like unnecessary nasty can of worms | 17:01 |
| drobilla | Well, yes, that's what magic learn would have to do if it's to be implemented transparently | 17:02 |
| Anchakor | I think the filtering plugin would be the simplest viable solution | 17:02 |
| drobilla | ... | 17:03 |
| drobilla | Well, yes, great, but if you have to manually set all that shit up, binding would be way too annoying | 17:03 |
| Anchakor | well usually you want to do MIDI binding for a single value input - CV, so you still need midi->CV conversion plugin | 17:05 |
| drobilla | Yes, obviously doing bindings in the patch requires a plugin or internal | 17:06 |
| drobilla | There already is an internal for that, though it only supports CC, and doesn't really need to be an internal in the first place | 17:08 |
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